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Stephen Gilbert MP claims he can't afford housing 
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It's the same here. There's not a lot any politicians can do about it.

There is a lot politicains can do.

I should have said, there's not a lot a few politicians can do. Rural areas are just not a massive vote winner, so their wishes are rarely listened to by the party big wigs. Especially as their concerns don't affect the majority of the voting populace. The suburb dwelling nine to fivers with an interest in continually rising property prices and two cars on finance.

Individually no, but collectively they could but are they willing to? I doubt it. Many will have got rich because it works in their favour. Sod the masses.

Yes but the coalition probably get the bulk of their support from the rural areas. Though I guess that they are in hock to the few party donors who live in London and want the current crazy financial system to continue.

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It's the same here. There's not a lot any politicians can do about it.

There is a lot politicains can do. They can put interest rates up, put restrictions on mortgages such as maximum loan to values, and ratio to wages, rules on second homes, capital gains taxes on all property or even all property of second home owners, eliminating the benefits of being able to switch for tax or MP's expense purposes. There is so much that can be done. What is lacking is political will.


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They can put interest rates up


Makes no difference - a low rate means I can afford a higher multiplier a high rate means that people cannot afford a mortgage in the first place. It would also affect industry

Yes but when interest rates do go up AND they definitely will, to above 5% with a few years you will lose your home, because you over paid because and that high multiple will mean that you have levered yourself to the hilt. Unless of course your pay will increase 1000% to maintain the affordability. You ignore that for decades and even centuries we had interest rates above 5% and people were still able to cope because the multiplier was lower. Higher multipliers described as affordable because of low interest rates were a marketing gimmick to sell you that overpriced hovel. The interest rates we have now are totally unsustainable. If they carry on like that your pension will be destroyed by such low rates. You cannot have it all ways. Paper wealth through a asset bubble is very transitory. Look at Japan, property prices have fallen by more than 70% over the last 25 years and they are still not building any more land.

Also remember that we are following the same austerity measures as Ireland so the same outcomes are likely here. Yes we have a broader based economy but austerity from central government will take more out of the economy than most economists predict. Most were far too optimistic about the end of the recovery. Many said we would have a V shaped recovery, A few said a U shaped recovery. I still think that we will have an L shaped recovery. With stagnation as a result of austerity.

As for it affecting industry, yes but a lot less than you would imagine. Many businesses do not look at investing unless it has a Internal Rate of Return of at least 10%. So could easily cope with 5% interest rates. Also if the cost of property fell substantially then the costs to expand would be lower anyway offsetting the higher interest rates.

Also since low rates only sustain asset bubbles they raise the cost of entry for new firms, and everyone acknowledges that small firms are where jobs are created. So no wonder job creation will be pathetic.

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put restrictions on mortgages such as maximum loan to values, and ratio to wages

Better as at least it targets houses but there are 101 ways around any limits

True but unless you can be a cash buyer it will not help you. You could also restrict mortgages to Building societies thereby removing the housing market from the effects of the wholesale money markets, making savings with a building society a much better prospect, since you will need it as a deposit.

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capital gains taxes on all property or even all property of second home owners

The first is a total vote looser, the second would be more (or slightly less un-)popular

Not necessarily. If the alternatives are higher property prices and fewer first time buyers, then it will mean a more unstable market.

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