Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Spend more on deprived children, MP urges 
Author Message
Legend
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am
Posts: 29240
Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
Reply with quote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-14009261

Quote:
Society will suffer "immense penalties" unless more money is spent improving the lives of children from deprived backgrounds, a report has warned.

The prime minister asked Labour MP Graham Allen to look at the benefits of intervening to improve the life chances of children from poorer backgrounds.

In his second report, Mr Allen said more investment was needed urgently.

Mr Allen suggested more money could be raised through private sources, given constraints on public spending.

Will they actually do it? Or leave it to future generations to pay for?

_________________
Do concentrate, 007...

"You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds."

https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTk

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21


Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:02 am
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:36 pm
Posts: 5161
Location: /dev/tty0
Reply with quote
Spend more on deprived children!? Presumably they mean the ones who's parents already get countless benefits? What about those just above the threshold that struggle to do anything because their parents earn "just enough" to not get help?


Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:33 am
Profile WWW
Legend
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am
Posts: 29240
Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
Reply with quote
forquare1 wrote:
Spend more on deprived children!? Presumably they mean the ones who's parents already get countless benefits? What about those just above the threshold that struggle to do anything because their parents earn "just enough" to not get help?

Yes but unless they have disabled children the money is not as much as you think. They will still be in the bottom 3 deciles of income. I suspect that the majority of people have far better lifestyles than any one on benefits. The government will cut your benefits if one of couple is working so they are still worse off than you think. Then add in the social stigma and stress from managing on the low income. For many working on minimum wage makes no sense at all. The loss of benefits means that until recently they had an effective tax rate approaching 90%. More than double the tax rate on multimillionaires until the crisis. It is like the misconception that public sector workers get fabulous pensions. When the reality is that most people whatever sector they worked in will get a pathetic pension.

_________________
Do concentrate, 007...

"You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds."

https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTk

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21


Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:14 am
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am
Posts: 6146
Location: Middle Earth
Reply with quote
How about preventing the problem rather than curing it.

_________________
Dive like a fish, drink like a fish!

><(((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸><(((º>
•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸><(((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸><(((º>

If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.


Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:26 am
Profile
Legend
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am
Posts: 29240
Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
Reply with quote
belchingmatt wrote:
How about preventing the problem rather than curing it.

Best solution is raise wages but they have been stagnant since 2003. Also if you stop people having children you can forget about retiring. They will be the ones paying your state pension. Their pension will be paid by the generation after.

_________________
Do concentrate, 007...

"You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds."

https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTk

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21


Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:28 am
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am
Posts: 6146
Location: Middle Earth
Reply with quote
Ah yes the pension pyramid scheme. Guranteed to work just like every other pryamid scheme beforehand.

_________________
Dive like a fish, drink like a fish!

><(((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸><(((º>
•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸><(((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸><(((º>

If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.


Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:43 am
Profile
Spends far too much time on here

Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:44 pm
Posts: 4860
Reply with quote
belchingmatt wrote:
Ah yes the pension pyramid scheme. Guranteed to work just like every other pryamid scheme beforehand.


:) +1 about pensions and pension funds (public or private) ...

_________________
Hope this helps . . . Steve ...

Nothing known travels faster than light, except bad news ...
HP Pavilion 24" AiO. Ryzen7u. 32GB/1TB M2. Windows 11 Home ...


Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:35 am
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:36 pm
Posts: 5161
Location: /dev/tty0
Reply with quote
Amnesia10 wrote:
forquare1 wrote:
Spend more on deprived children!? Presumably they mean the ones who's parents already get countless benefits? What about those just above the threshold that struggle to do anything because their parents earn "just enough" to not get help?

Yes but unless they have disabled children the money is not as much as you think. They will still be in the bottom 3 deciles of income. I suspect that the majority of people have far better lifestyles than any one on benefits. The government will cut your benefits if one of couple is working so they are still worse off than you think.


It may have all changed, but in my experience single parent families/families who's parents can't/won't work got new school uniforms every term (I mean new, not new second hand), had all the latest crazes (pogs, Pokemon cards, etc.), free school meals, EMA, discounts on non-educational trips, and term-time holidays (even after school clamped down on them).

I've always been told you've got to work your own way to the top, why should some be handed so much?


Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:12 pm
Profile WWW
Legend
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am
Posts: 29240
Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
Reply with quote
forquare1 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
forquare1 wrote:
Spend more on deprived children!? Presumably they mean the ones who's parents already get countless benefits? What about those just above the threshold that struggle to do anything because their parents earn "just enough" to not get help?

Yes but unless they have disabled children the money is not as much as you think. They will still be in the bottom 3 deciles of income. I suspect that the majority of people have far better lifestyles than any one on benefits. The government will cut your benefits if one of couple is working so they are still worse off than you think.


It may have all changed, but in my experience single parent families/families who's parents can't/won't work got new school uniforms every term (I mean new, not new second hand), had all the latest crazes (pogs, Pokemon cards, etc.), free school meals, EMA, discounts on non-educational trips, and term-time holidays (even after school clamped down on them).

I've always been told you've got to work your own way to the top, why should some be handed so much?

Yes but the work your way to the top fantasy has not really been true for the last few decades. I know people who have worked and are still scraping by. To some extent the inequities were reinforced by family credit to boost incomes of those who earned less than £60 000 who had kids. Even MP's qualified for them! :roll: I would have preferred to see those working having their wages increased so that they do not have to rely on family credits to make ends meet. Also that does all depend on whether their are jobs available and at what rate of pay. Don't forget that governments have been massaging the unemployment figures for years by getting as many people into part time work so that the headline figure of unemployed is lower. Yet I suspect that many of these people would like a full time job, and are only making the jobs survivable because of tax payer subsidies like family credit. Also many kids will get everything so that they do not stand out, yet their parents might be going without so that they can progress well.

_________________
Do concentrate, 007...

"You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds."

https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTk

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21


Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:04 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 9 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software.