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Raising the personal allowance also helps higher rate taxpayers* far more than basic rate taxpayers. It also stops helping people on a low income once the allowance exceeds their income. Raising it further wouldn't help those people at all, so it's a limited tool for people on a low income or part time workers.


Out of curiosity, why is this?

My beer reasoning would be it helps people on lower incomes more as a larger percentage of their income isn't taxed, whereas the more you earn the personal allowance becomes a smaller percentage...

The personal allowance provides tax relief at the highest rate of tax you pay.

For a basic rate taxpayer that's 20%. For a higher rate tax payer that's 40% (additional rate taxpayers do not benefit from the personal allowance, as the personal allowance is reduced by £1 for every £2 you earn over £100,000).

So let's take the current personal allowance of £8105 and apply it to two different people:

Person A earns £20,000. They get £8105 tax free so the calculation would be: £20,000 - £8105 = £11895. 20% of £11895 = tax due of £2379. Without the personal allowance the total tax due would be £4,000, meaning a saving of £1621.

Person B earns £50,000. £50,000 - 8105 = 41895. The basic rate band is £34,370. 20% of £34370 is £6874. The remainder of £7525 is taxed at 40% = £3010. Total tax due is £9884. Without the personal allowance the tax due would be £13126, a saving of £3242.

Higher rate taxpayers therefore benefit twice as much from increases in the personal allowance than basic rate taxpayers.

As for low-paid and part-time workers, any further increases in the personal allowances doesn't help them once the allowance is high enough to cover all of their earnings. A personal allowance of £50,000 is no good to someone earning £6000pa as they would get their income tax-free on an allowance of just £6000 anyway, so further increases in the personal allowances don't help improve their lot at all. They do, however, help higher rate tax payers enormously.

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As for low-paid and part-time workers, any further increases in the personal allowances doesn't help them once the allowance is high enough to cover all of their earnings. A personal allowance of £50,000 is no good to someone earning £6000pa as they would get their income tax-free on an allowance of just £6000 anyway, so further increases in the personal allowances don't help improve their lot at all. They do, however, help higher rate tax payers enormously.

You're equating two different things as equivalent though. Abstractly, a £2000 a year change to someone earning £20,000 a year may work out to be a £6,000 a year change to someone who earns £100,000 a year. But the bare fact is that £2000 change has a much greater effect on the former than the £6,000 change does on the latter. To the latter, it's a shift of a digit they may not even notice day to day. It may mean a slightly nicer car or house with a slightly bigger garden. To the former, it may be the difference between a family renting a house or a flat, between the children having to share a bedroom or having one each, between having a holiday in the summer or not.

Quantitatively, the effect may skew one way. Qualitatively, it may skew entirely the other.


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Again?

That was headline news when I was a kid, then again when I was a teenager, again when I was in my late 20s...

Last time, it was F1 drivers fleeing the UK.

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