It's quite simple, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, present your evidence or STFU.

Donald Trump: EU was formed 'to beat the US at making money' | US news | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... king-money

Not likely to be true, but considering America is in laughable debt like ourselves...

I rest my case.

Its people like you and that other jon which is destroying European nations.

That's the best you've got? Seriously? OK, try this : present one single piece of evidence for your conspiracy theory. JUST ONE. If you can't, then you are exactly what I say you are.

Trump to Russia: hack Hillary Clinton's 'missing' emails and publish them | US news | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... s-dnc-hack

Bloody hell. Frankly the whole Russian angle is pathetic even if they did do it. Pathetic for all concerned.

I think this might be a bit of a mis-step for Trump. I suspect if there's one thing his fans hate more than Democrats, it's commies. IN fact they probably don't recognise much of a difference.

That's the best you've got? Seriously? OK, try this : present one single piece of evidence for your conspiracy theory. JUST ONE. If you can't, then you are exactly what I say you are.[/quote]

Im very surprised you havent seen the video of her thanking that israeli about allowing her to speak in her own language (NOT GERMAN) shes known to visit israel often it seems, not a conspiricy

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36933239

If that attack happened at all it would likely be state driven on that scale. But frankly you couldn't trust anyone in this argument.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37016680

Both sides are right there.

Why do countries still say stuff like this? Have they listened to themselves recently?

Megalomania is rife, it appears.

Trump reiterates he literally believes Barack Obama is the 'founder of Isis' | US news | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ble-player

The entire world did fcuk all about Isis until it was too late. Those people literally marched to and across multiple warzones and not a single government said a word until they couldn't be hidden any longer.

Trump in this sense is probably right, look at all the american airdrops full of guns and grenades etc etc for example being "ACCIDENTLY" been dropped over ISIS held territory. many other examples but thats just one of them, no point explaining further on this forum as many seem to be blind with their eyes open (sadly)

The Americans are and have been really bad at the whole “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” thing

They keep seeming to be surprised that when they arm a load of dictators, thugs and terrorists that they then end up having the guns on them as well

As someone famous once said, "America has no allies, only interests." American foreign policy veers between extremes (isolationist/intervenionist, dove/hawk) on a far too regular basis, undermining the good it should, can and occasionally does do in the world.

However the idea that Obama is somehow the progenitor of ISIS is wrong. ISIS was born out of an extreme wing of the Taliban, who were obviously at one point heavily funded by the US, but that was 30 years ago, long before Obama got anywhere near power. Their initial burst of influence was largely funded by miltant wahabi factions in the Saudi upper class and they're now largely self-funding due to the resources they've captured, although they're slowly having their grip on a lot of those prised off. But they'll still have already have enough money in the bank through selling oil to carry on a guerilla level war for many years. There's also a growing body of analysis to suggest natural disaster and climate change also have an influence in the growth of 'active extermism' in the middle east.

Maybe Obama/NATO etc. could have pushed harder earlier and stopped ISIS/ISIL before it really got going but that's hindsight. The fact is right now ISIS can keep going all on it's own, so the problem isn't just for the US to resolve.