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paulzolo
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8423780.stmI’m saddened that it has been affected in this way. It’s a great train, and it seems to have been badly affected by the weather.
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EddArmitage
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Kind of relieved I'm getting a ferry to France for New Year, although that decision was only made due to cost and last-minute-ness.
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jonbwfc
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Only a railway part run by British privatised train operatives would be crap enough to fail when it's snowing even when the trains go in a tunnel.
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Nick
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Surely this can't be the first time in the tunnel's history that there has been a bit of snow around? Why has there been a breakdown this time?  _________________
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big_D
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The trains are older now?
The problem is probably humidity in the tunnel, as opposed to cold. The trains are running cold and iced up, suddenly run into a warm tunnel and all the ice on running gear and electrics turns into condensation and probably shorts something out.
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l3v1ck
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So stuck Britons in France get jack [LIFTED] help.  Typical. Weren't they overhauled just a few years ago? EDIT Turns out the overhauled trains won't be available until 2012. I suspect that will be sped up a bit now.
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adidan
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Well, if I was caught in wintry weather I'd quite like a tunnel to shelter in...
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l3v1ck
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Isn't it very warm in the tunnel? The news reports I read said people were too hot has the air-con was off after the power failures on the trains.
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big_D
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Heard on the news this morning, a French spokesperson for the service said that condensation on the electrics, causing shorts was the problem.
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adidan
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Really, I thought it was jam packed with turbines to keep the air flowing. Mind you if it's flushing freezing air through a red hot tunnel then condensation would be a possibility they should have maybe thought about in the planning stage perhaps? * continues random speculation *
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belchingmatt
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A news article I heard on radio 1 within the last hour said the problem was with the French. I'd like to believe it but the 'track' record of British transport would suggest otherwise.
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big_D
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The trains are travelling long distances at high speeds, on the French side. They build up an ice layer on everything as they go along, then they hit the hot air of the tunnel and it turns to water and drips all over the electrics. Add to that humidity in the tunnel - look what happens when you leave something metal or plastic in the car over night and then bring it into a warm room, it is wet and slippery within seconds... (or even a pair of glasses after a walk in the cold, they steam up the second you get inside)
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adidan
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Indeed. It does seem somewhat of an oversight though...
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l3v1ck
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The design is based on the French TGV, so it is their fault rather than ours.
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davrosG5
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IIRC the tunnel temperature was in the region of 25 C so coming from below or just above zero is going to cause fairly massive condensation. It would certainly not be a trivial task to keep the humidity levels int he tunnels very low as they are obviously open at both ends. Still, as others have said, I would have expected somewhat better protection for the electrics. Mind you, they can't even do that on the LHC so I guess it's not that surprising 
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