I will agree that the Wii is not a next gen console. It does have some very interesting game concepts like the motion controllers, and balance board. Other than that I do think of it as a family console that more ranges can play. The Xbox and PS3 are proper games consoles.

MS may make profit on each console sold, but I bet they're not making anything on the 2nd and 3rd consoles they have to send to customers who have experienced critical hardware failures.

Their Mobile division is a disaster, especially in terms of reputation, the Zune has yet to leave US territory and Windows 7 was so bad that I - an Apple hater - bought a Mac. XP tards may love it, not realising that it is JUST Vista with features removed, but it's just awful and they want full price for it?? When Apple released a slightly faster version of the previous OS, it cost £30, when MS do the same it costs £150??? I don't believe an OS should cost more than the software you buy to run on it.

Currently there is nothing that MS do that I would willingly spend money on.

The Wii's problem IMO is once you've played the few titles worth playing (and Sports comes with it ), you realise you've bought a console that's last gen and you're pretty much stuck with the aforementioned titles. Oh, and you're gonna have to jiggle around all the time to justify what you've spent - who wants to do that after work, really?

A big part of the problem is that, same as nearly anything, once a console has sat there unplayed for two weeks or whatever, eventually going back to it is that much harder. With the Wii's motion controls and lack of good games, that's damn near fatal. I've seen it to a lesser extent with the DS too... And the aforementioned female and older gamers almost never stick with Wii Fit and the like

I'll be interested to see what Joe Average makes of the Wii 2 when it's released. Maybe they'll be swayed by decent graphics and not much else, but I wouldn't be so sure

The graphics were poorer than the other consoles but that did not harm sales or profitability. When it came out HD TV's were not the norm and standard definition was more than acceptable. Though that will change over time. Also consider from Nintendo's perspective the Wii has been a great success. Huge sales and profits on each one. Sony are still losing money on each PS3.

Yip, but realising that new console you've bought is little better than your original Xbox, for talk's sake, when you could have spent a little more and bought the new Xbox hurts a bit

Nobody denies it's been a great success, I'm just wondering if they've somewhat painted themselves into a corner with the motion control, where $ony and M$ can introduce it without much risk and plenty of opportunity... Actually, don't be surprised if $ony completely spend too much time and money on it while telling you it's the best thing ever

EDIT - Transformers 2, the last Indy Jones, High School Musical... all made a fortune. I'm just saying