Yes I have - many times.

Then I'm surprised to hear you make that somewhat dramatic comparison.
Needle phobic by any chance?

That's exactly what I'm referring to. Nobody ever knows what's going on and we're expected to just comply. Nonsense IMO.

I have to say, that's pretty much not at all what happened when we had ours. We lined up outside the nurses office, and one by one we had our jabs. Then we went back to class and got on with the rest of the afternoon. Nobody fainted, nobody ran out, nobody screamed. We were all told about it well in advance, and we got on with it.

On the one hand, one of you is saying "Nobody ever knows what's going on and we're expected to just comply." and the other's saying that "no information... given two months warning so that we could really wind ourselves up about it."

Would you rather you weren't told about the vacc and it was just sprung upon you (presumably without parental consent) or would you rather you're told well in advance, giving you time to put your affairs in order in case you don't make it out alive from the apparently abbatoir-like conditions in which they were administered?

Nope.

I have no fear about it; I just faint every time they do it.


I wish it had been like yours. Let me describe mine to you.

Some two months before the event, our form tutor handed out letters during registration with an off-hand comment about some "injections" but wouldn't go into any details. Sure enough someone opened a letter to check and yep it was about vaccinations. However, and here's the thing, the teachers would point-blank refuse to tell the children what was happening or explain that vaccinations were nothing to worry about.

Then there was the day itself. Firstly instead of taking half a dozen children at once, we were made to stand in a long line up a flight of stairs to the canteen with teachers barking orders at us. The queue slowly spiraled up to the canteen but the number of people going up didn't seem to match the number of people coming down. Every once in a while a teacher strode past. Secondly those of us on the stairs could hear unfamiliar banging noises coming from upstairs and nobody was explaining anything.

When we did finally get upstairs we were greeted by chaos. The banging noises which had wound us up were the kitchen equipment being washed after lunch - on its own not scary. However what was scary was that someone had nicked a vein and several girls had fainted. Naturally this had worked its way back down the line. Now every time someone got jabbed they would either yelp or cry (which was winding everyone else up) or faint. Several of us in the line were crying. There were about 30 white-faced children scattered around and teachers walking back and forth.

In short, stressful and horrible.

Yeah that doesn't sound like much fun!
But that's a failure of the school, not the vaccination really isn't it?

Never had a problem with vaccinations at the schools I've been to, but six-in-one, is the immune system designed for that scale of response?



If only they were like the Polio vaccine, one drop on a lump of sugar. Then you could have six lumps of sugar, but of course some parents would complain that the vaccinations made their children hyperactive.

ROFL, that's exactly what I was thinking

That's my point.

IMO it's the lack of consistent information about the vaccinations that allows the FUD to do the damage and the vacc rate to drop. I alluded to my experience as an extreme example of the power of the combination of coercion, ignorance and misinformation.

If the government doesn't handle this very carefully I fear the vacc rate could drop even further as the gutter play start to play keepy-uppy with this topic.

But aren't you really talking about the power of children's imaginations?
Or was the school themselves actively spreading the rumour that someone fainted and bled out everywhere?
Kids are kids. They'll make stuff up when they don't understand it.
I'm sure every generation has their own version of what goes on, possibly passed down from previous generations. Then we have the jab and think 'was that it?' and hopefully educate our children that actually, it's not a big deal.

If it hadn't have been for that piece of terrible science and spin that matey boy who was referred to earlier, we wouldn't be in this situation. People would say 'oh good' and get on with on it. One idiot tries making a name for himself about vaccination and autism and here we are, talking about gambling the health of a generation (and more generally the entire population) because?

Time for a bit of common sense, surely.

As for Matt's comment about the mouse and their herpes ridden feet, there's a small element of risk with any injection. Those who have an allergic reaction to chicken protein can't have the flu jab, for instance. However, an allergy usually doesn't present itself on the first exposure, so while this year's jab may be ok, next year's might be one to trigger a reaction. The recombination of viruses is an ever present risk. It happens all the time in nature (we're as a species because of it) - thankfully we have the luxury of trialling this vaccination in a lab before it gets out into the wild.

I( believe them to be completely safe but if you have some doubt because of bad data you feel obliged to be cautious with your child's health, so vaccination rates fall.

Sounds similar to my school - it was a pretty traumatic time (doubly so if you do have a fear of needles, or indeed anything medical). Lack of information, no say in whether the vaccinations, and the cruddy kit that the school doctors get. My grandfather (who was around until the mid 1980’s) - was a very senior doctor – said that the needles school doctors get are not as fine as those you’d get at your GPs or in a hospital.

What the schools don’t tell you is that you can get these vaccinations done by your GP, who would not use the sausage factory approach that the visiting school doctors do.

I stand by that. That's my experience and it's bang out of order.

I never said that.
I'm curious though, as far as 'Nobody ever knows what's going on', what further information would you have liked that wasn't available, outside
a.) What the jab's for
b.) When & where it'll be administered

Creative quoting ftw
Take MMR, Polio, BCG etc. these are largely known quantities. What I want to know, (aside from the things you've listed) is how proven these new things/combos are. The government can't necessarily make me feel better about that, but knowing they weren't compulsory would be a good start. That's all.