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rustybucket
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It's not 'only going into Euston'; it will link directly to HS1
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:37 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:41 pm |
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l3v1ck
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Aren't they just a few hundred metres apart.
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:44 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Maybe as the crow flies, to walk it's about half a mile. Map (Euston left, St. Pancras on the right).
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:48 pm |
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rustybucket
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Sorry - my answer was ambiguous. HS2 won't only stop at Euston; it will also link directly to HS2
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:52 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:59 pm |
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rustybucket
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BUGGER! ... and sorry. I seem to have fundamentally messed up my Qi HS2 won't only stop at Euston; it will also link directly to HS 1
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:08 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Ah... the wiki appears to have an answer:
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:12 pm |
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paulzolo
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It would be idiotic if they didn’t connect to HS1. That will connect the rest of the country to Europe. Expect EuroStar to build a terminal in Birmingham eventually. Also expect trains from Europe (TGV, Thalys, etc.) to run to major UK cities. I’d expect eventually an HS3 to Belfast running from Birmingham via Liverpool.
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:06 am |
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l3v1ck
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I just hope they build really long platforms at all the stations. That's the problem with the current network: We can't just make the trains longer.
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:06 am |
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paulzolo
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Plenty of countries have double deck trains with rolling stock occupying much the same space as single deck trains. Why we don’t use those is beyond me.
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:44 am |
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HeatherKay
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It's been tried, notably in the 1950s on the Southern Region into London. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DDThe problems are we have a smaller loading gauge than most of Europe - a legacy of inventing railways, sadly - and it took longer to disgorge passengers from the double-decker stock. I was suprised to learn they lasted into the 1970s, though. Now, for a completely new build, there's no reason why a larger loading gauge can't be adopted and double-decker trains introduced. We all know, though, that won't happen.
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:53 am |
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belchingmatt
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Why not break from tradition and go with wide body double deckers on a wider guage, now that would be looking to the future. Should also consider running the trains in vaccuum tunnels to increase speed and reduce wind resistance and noise. That is the future, and of course Britain will not be leading the way.
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EddArmitage
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The Channel Tunnel and HS1 (and the plans for HS2) are cleared to UIC-GC, the same as all of the French LGVs, and I believe there's talk of upgrading the WCML to UIC-GB+ at some point. At present the Eurostar-373s and Javelin-395s seem to manage just fine in single-decker configurations, but I can see how running something like TGV-duplex on HS2 would take a lot of the strain off of WCML, a line which gets very overcrowded at peak/commuter times. Then all we need to do is convince Crosscountry to run doubled-up nose-to-tail Super Voyagers on the NE-SW line, and all the capacity problems are being managed. Reduce ticket prices and everything is awesome. (If only life were that simple).
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:01 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Tunnels and Bridges, I'd imagine. I'm not quite sure how a double decker train can have the same cross-section as a single decker one, unless you keep the lower deck for people under 5' in height. Jon
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