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I don't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but it strikes me that Israel won't make a move against Iran without US backing, and if the US is forthcoming with military support then Iran is all but toast.

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Israel is bluffing on Iran attack threat
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused Israel of bluffing over threats of air strikes against his country's nuclear programme on Monday while once again questioning the right of the Jewish state to exist.

By Peter Foster, in Washington and Adrian Blomfield in Jerusalem

7:17PM BST 24 Sep 2012

In a series of combative interviews in New York on the eve of the UN General Assembly, Iran's political leader said Israel was making a lot of 'noise' and encouraging the West to prevent legitimate scientific progress in his country.

Reiterating that he was open to dialogue with the United States on the nuclear issue he also said he was prepared to defend Iran from any external threat.

"Fundamentally, we do not take seriously threats of the Zionists," he said. "We believe the Zionists see themselves at a dead end and they want to find an adventure to get out of this dead end. While we are fully ready to defend ourselves, we do not take these threats seriously."

Despite a plea from UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon to "build international confidence" and refrain from grandstanding statements Mr Ahmadinejad once again questioned the legitimacy of Israel as a nation.

"Iran has been around for the last seven, 10 thousand years. They (the Israelis) have been occupying those territories for the last 60 to 70 years, with the support and force of the Westerners. They have no roots there in history," he said.

We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated."

His comments came as Barack Obama prepared to address the Assembly later today [TUES], where he is expected to strike a more sombre note than last year when the 'Arab Spring' pro-democracy revolutions across the Middle East and the ending of war in Iraq allowed him to assert that the "tide of war is receding".

A year on, however, with Syria locked in civil war, Israel heating up its rhetoric over Iran and the Muslim world roiled with anti-American protests, Mr Obama is under pressure both at home and abroad.

The White House said that the President would address Middle East turmoil but also "underscore that Iran must not be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon," according to his press secretary, Jay Carney.

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is to address the UN on Thursday, has been publicly piling the pressure on the White House in recent weeks, calling for clearer 'red lines' that – if crossed – would precipitate intervention to stop Iran developing a nuclear weapon, an event which Israel says is potentially only "months" away.

Mr Netanyahu is expected to use his own speech to clarify his position and demand that Mr Obama lays out an unequivocal boundary stating how much further he is willing to allow Iran to enrich higher-grade uranium, according Israeli government sources.

"Iran's nuclear weapons program has a number of elements and I've heard the prime minister say on different occasions at a number of private meetings that one of the most crucial is the issue of enrichment, because that is the most difficult ingredient for a nuclear weapon," an official said.

The White House has taken a more sanguine view of Iran's progress towards a nuclear weapon, refusing to yield to pressure from both Israel and Mr Obama's republican opponent in November's general election to take a clearer, tougher line with Tehran.

Mitt Romney, who will speak in New York tomorrow [TUES] at an annual philanthropy forum organised by former President Bill Clinton, accused Mr Obama of failing to support Israel adequately and being too slow to support rebel groups in Syria.

The Obama administration was running a "policy of paralysis" in Syria and was sending "a message throughout the Middle East that somehow we distance ourselves from our friends," by his attitude towards Israel, Mr Romney argued an interview with CBS News's *60 Minutes*.

However, Mr Obama, quickly shot back in his own* 60 Minutes* interview.

"If Gov. Romney is suggesting that we should start another war, he should say so," he said. Mr Obama said he would not be swayed by outside "noise" when making national security decisions – a phrase that was taken by Republicans as a derogatory reference to Mr Netanyahu's very public calls for actions in recent weeks.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9563675/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-Israel-is-bluffing-on-Iran-attack-threat.html

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I don't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but it strikes me that Israel won't make a move against Iran without US backing, and if the US is forthcoming with military support then Iran is all but toast.


Well what sort of military backing are you talking about? The USA can't provide technical assistance necessary for the Israelis to fight the Iranians, all they could do is beat up Iran on their behalf and leave tiny Israel out of it altogether.

The most Israel could do is launch some trivial airstrikes to provoke a conflict on the assumption that the Americans would, when the poop hit the fan, go to town on Iran for them. That's the point of all this bluster from the Iranians, they are announcing that if Israel launches a strike, they will react by attacking US interests and dragging the yanks into a fight. The implication being that if the Americans don't fancy it (and the don't, not a bit of it), then they should lean on Israel not to attack, which they will.


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Technically the most they could do is nuke Iran into a solid glass plate.

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Technically the most they could do is nuke Iran into a solid glass plate.

With the nukes that they have never admitted to? ;)

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The implication being that if the Americans don't fancy it (and the don't, not a bit of it), then they should lean on Israel not to attack, which they will.

One would assume they've been doing that anyway. Another dust up in the middle east, even if they aren't directly involved, is not in America's interests.


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Technically the most they could do is nuke Iran into a solid glass plate.

With the nukes that they have never admitted to? ;)

Really? I thought it was common knowledge? Don't they have any?

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Israel will probably carry on doing what they have been doing for the past 10 years and that is arranging nice little accidents for the scientist's working on Iran's nuclear program. Who needs to actually fight a land or air war. Plus lob a few Trojans/viruses into there electronic infrastructure.

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Technically the most they could do is nuke Iran into a solid glass plate.

With the nukes that they have never admitted to? ;)

Really? I thought it was common knowledge? Don't they have any?

They have never been admitted to them but estimates are that they have around 108 nukes available for any defence.


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They have never been admitted to them but estimates are that they have around 108 nukes available for any defence.

Given one of the scientists involved defected to the west donkey's years ago and pretty much said 'yes, I made nuclear weapons for the Israeli government' before then being kidnapped by Mossad, I think whether they admit to it or not at this point is pretty irrelevant.

Everyone assumes Israel has nuclear weapons and would use them if they thought they were about to be over-run by their 'neighbours'. That's probably why we haven't had Yom Kippur 2 already. If it all was a bluff, it's arguably the most successful one in history.


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I don't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but it strikes me that Israel won't make a move against Iran without US backing, and if the US is forthcoming with military support then Iran is all but toast.


Well what sort of military backing are you talking about? The USA can't provide technical assistance necessary for the Israelis to fight the Iranians, all they could do is beat up Iran on their behalf and leave tiny Israel out of it altogether.


Tanks, planes, troops, missiles. Direct involvement, in other words.

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That's not backing them, it's replacing them, you are talking about America doing the whole job. It's hard to think of any reason they would want or allow the Israelis to be involved at all given that they are also allied to a lot of Israel's enemies, and Israel has no military capability to offer that America doesn't have in far greater supply.


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That's not backing them, it's replacing them, you are talking about America doing the whole job. It's hard to think of any reason they would want or allow the Israelis to be involved at all given that they are also allied to a lot of Israel's enemies, and Israel has no military capability to offer that America doesn't have in far greater supply.

Wow, it's almost like joint operations don't happen. :?

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Well they have to make sense, otherwise they don't. That one doesn't, and it won't happen.


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Well they have to make sense, otherwise they don't. That one doesn't, and it won't happen.

I never commented on the likelihood of it happening, I merely said that if the US became involved then Iran has all but had it.

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