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is the EU really that peaceful?
even the Belgians don't get along and let's not even start with the UK

Well Germany hasn't invaded a neighbour in a while so that's a good start.

Don't you count the sun beds of Spain? ;) :lol:

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Just on the RoI front

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A peace settlement for Northern Ireland, the Belfast Agreement, was approved in 1998 in referendums north and south of the border. As part of the peace settlement, Ireland dropped its territorial claim to Northern Ireland.


Only the scumbags and the truly deluded North and South were unhappy about that one ;)

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A peace settlement for Northern Ireland, the Belfast Agreement, was approved in 1998 in referendums north and south of the border. As part of the peace settlement, Ireland dropped its territorial claim to Northern Ireland.


Only the scumbags and the truly deluded North and South were unhappy about that one ;)

Shame no-one on the mainland was asked what they think. Personally I'd rather see Ireland reunified under the banner of the Republic.

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A peace settlement for Northern Ireland, the Belfast Agreement, was approved in 1998 in referendums north and south of the border. As part of the peace settlement, Ireland dropped its territorial claim to Northern Ireland.


Only the scumbags and the truly deluded North and South were unhappy about that one ;)

Shame no-one on the mainland was asked what they think. Personally I'd rather see Ireland reunified under the banner of the Republic.


It's as likely as reverting all the other geographical history - America, Australia, Argentina... That's just some of the A's ;)

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A peace settlement for Northern Ireland, the Belfast Agreement, was approved in 1998 in referendums north and south of the border. As part of the peace settlement, Ireland dropped its territorial claim to Northern Ireland.


Only the scumbags and the truly deluded North and South were unhappy about that one ;)

Shame no-one on the mainland was asked what they think. Personally I'd rather see Ireland reunified under the banner of the Republic.

Well as a Brit with an Irish passport I think that only the Irish (north and south of border) can solve this. We must support what ever decision they take. Though with the state of the republics economy I doubt that even the Republicans in the north want to switch the pound for the Euro right now. :lol:

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Well as a Brit with an Irish passport I think that only the Irish (north and south of border) can solve this. We must support what ever decision they take. Though with the state of the republics economy I doubt that even the Republicans in the north want to switch the pound for the Euro right now. :lol:

No offence, but that's utter crap. You're basically saying the people of Great Britain get lumped with Northern Ireland whether they like it or not, despite opinion polls consistently showing mainland support for a unified Ireland. Northern Ireland is the only constituent country of the United Kingdom which actually wants Northern Ireland to stay in the United Kingdom.

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So the people of Northern Ireland have no say in the matter? I have friends in Galway who really were not that bothered about unification. That was even more true when Ireland was booming. They were as concerned about the increase in non Catholics who would influence divorce and abortion laws that would happen with unification.


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So the people of Northern Ireland have no say in the matter? I have friends in Galway who really were not that bothered about unification. That was even more true when Ireland was booming. They were as concerned about the increase in non Catholics who would influence divorce and abortion laws that would happen with unification.


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Of course they do, but they shouldn't have the only say.

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Oh personally I would want a unified Ireland. Only if supported by all.


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Oh personally I would want a unified Ireland. Only if supported by all.


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Personally I think the rest of the Union is entitled to throw NI out, much like England should be getting a say in the upcoming Scots referendum - ie. the English should be given the option of breaking away from Scotland, should they so desire.

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Well as a Brit with an Irish passport I think that only the Irish (north and south of border) can solve this. We must support what ever decision they take. Though with the state of the republics economy I doubt that even the Republicans in the north want to switch the pound for the Euro right now. :lol:

No offence, but that's utter crap. You're basically saying the people of Great Britain get lumped with Northern Ireland whether they like it or not, despite opinion polls consistently showing mainland support for a unified Ireland. Northern Ireland is the only constituent country of the United Kingdom which actually wants Northern Ireland to stay in the United Kingdom.


Can you link to any of these opinion polls? I'm not having a go, I just can't find any.

Also, how are you so certain the rest of the UK doesn't want us? You know the North/South links with Scotland alone go a lot further than tribal football support, right? ;)

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Can you link to any of these opinion polls? I'm not having a go, I just can't find any.

Also, how are you so certain the rest of the UK doesn't want us? You know the North/South links with Scotland alone go a lot further than tribal football support, right? ;)


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There is significant support in Great Britain for Ireland to reunify as a political entity. A poll conducted by ICM for the The Guardian in 2001 revealed that 26% of Britons supported Northern Ireland remaining a part of the UK, while 41% supported a united Ireland.[6] The British Social Attitudes Survey in 2007 found 32.25% supported Northern Ireland remaining part of the UK, and 40.16% supported Irish reunification.[7] The poll has been run 19 times between 1983 and 2007, with each result being in favour of Irish unity. The highest support came in 1994 with 59.36% of the respondents supporting Irish reunification, while 24.09% supported Northern Ireland remaining in the UK.

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Present UK government policy seems to be "ask everyone but England". Of course England should never be able to force another country to stay in the union, but it should definitely get a say in whether it still wants to be tied to the other countries of the UK, be that NI or Scotland.

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Oh personally I would want a unified Ireland. Only if supported by all.


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Personally I think the rest of the Union is entitled to throw NI out, much like England should be getting a say in the upcoming Scots referendum - ie. the English should be given the option of breaking away from Scotland, should they so desire.

I will not vote in a referendum for getting rid of the Scots or the Northern Irish. For Scotland they should decide for themselves. It is none of my business.

In the case of Ireland all irish parties should decide. So even as a citizen of the South I would not vote, because as I do not live there. I do not feel I should take part even though I support a united Ireland. The Irish may not want the North. My "British side" also does not want to eject the North, or the Scots.

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Oh personally I would want a unified Ireland. Only if supported by all.


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Personally I think the rest of the Union is entitled to throw NI out, much like England should be getting a say in the upcoming Scots referendum - ie. the English should be given the option of breaking away from Scotland, should they so desire.

I will not vote in a referendum for getting rid of the Scots or the Northern Irish. For Scotland they should decide for themselves. It is none of my business.

In the case of Ireland all irish parties should decide. So even as a citizen of the South I would not vote, because as I do not live there. I do not feel I should take part even though I support a united Ireland. The Irish may not want the North. My "British side" also does not want to eject the North, or the Scots.

That's your prerogative. You can't, however, speak for 50 million other English people (nor can I).

At present Scotland, alone, will decide if it stays or goes. Of course no-one should be able to force Scotland to stay in the Union, but the rest of the Union should be able to vote Scotland out. The rule should apply for any nation in the Union - the other nations can't force them to stay, but the other nations can vote them out.

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That's your prerogative. You can't, however, speak for 50 million other English people (nor can I).

At present Scotland, alone, will decide if it stays or goes. Of course no-one should be able to force Scotland to stay in the Union, but the rest of the Union should be able to vote Scotland out. The rule should apply for any nation in the Union - the other nations can't force them to stay, but the other nations can vote them out.

Well what if the other nations decided to eject England? Or England decides to exit? That would not stop the Queen being head of state for the other nations. It would be like Britain deciding that we no longer want the Falklands. The only people who should decide if they stay are the nations or territories concerned. Personally I would not want to see the exit of any of the nations but feel that only they have the right to choose.

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