Yes I was looking for EU only cloud services and most are USA based. So the same problem remains. It could be an immense boost to an EU only cloud provider.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't BBs sold on their 'security' for business users? Hopefully somebody will take them to court. And I'm not familiar with competition law, but does the NSA breach that too now?

I thought the clients set the security for Blackbery, not the mobile network or phone manufacturer.
That's why BB were telling the Indian courts (I think it was India) that they couldn't give them keys for a back door as they didn't have them.

Yeah, I remember something similar in the States when the authorities wanted access to Skype's protocols or whatever. We now know of course that this was all for show, or at least an even easier way of getting at it.

Technically, it's down to either RIM/Blackberry or the phone provider depending on which model you're using. Essentially all Internet traffic is sent to a particular server where it is encrypted before it's sent to the phone and any traffic back is encrypted by the phone and sent back to that server, so no IP traffic can be eavesdropped on the first/last 'hop'. Whether the data was encrypted (e.g. via SSL) when the back end server received it, RIM neither knows nor cares. It just sends everything down the same pipe, encrypting it as it goes.

If your Blackberry has a 'BES' connection, that server is sat in one of RIM's datacenters. They have some each region (US, EMEA etc).
if your Blackberry has a 'BIS' connection, that server is sat in one of your phone provider's datacenters, which are probably in the same country as you.

In the case of India, essentially what was happening was the Indian government wanted access to the 'BES' servers. They threatened RIM with banning Blackberry sales in India altogether, so RIM moved one of their datacenters to India, routed all Indian BES traffic through it and allowed the Indian government access to the datas as it passed through - so if the data didn't start as encrypted before it got to RIM, the Indian government can read it no problem. In India, Blackberrys are no more secure than any other phone, at least a far as the government is concerned.

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Saying that was a nice smokescreen, but see above - if you have access to the BES back end server, you don't need the encryption keys.

Isn't that always the way?

The data being transmitted is encrypted, but if the phone itself isn't encrypted (it is usually an option), then if they can get physical access to the phone, you can quiet easily read out the data on it. That has been known for years. The US police have been extracting information from phones during random stops since about 2010.

Yahoo files lawsuit against NSA over user data requests

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... e-requests

In reality I suspect it's a PR exercise, but it still puts much-needed pressure on the NSA. What will probably really need to happen is companies losing money...

It is a fight to stay in business for these companies. Trust in American corporations offering internet services has been severely damaged and they are desperate to do some damage control, but they aren't allowed to as it currently stands. They can only sit back and watch how the NSA flushes their billion dollar businesses down the drain.

The Chinese have advised all their businesses and citizens to dump US technology and telecoms equipment. That will seriously impact all of those who want to expand into Asia. I am looking for a non US cloud provider for syncing. 1Password 4 which is due out soon will enable wifi syncing so no need to use any cloud service at all.

Mark Zuckerberg on gov's handling of NSA scandal: 'I think they blew it'

http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of- ... it-1180382

I wonder if he's part of that 'Yahoo' court challenge (there's actually people like MS involved). And yes, even though the whole apparatus shouldn't fcuking exist, they blew it.

It went well beyond their remit. There is no way that you can handle that well. As Big D said it will cause problems for the tech industry no matter who they are.