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jonlumb
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Out of interest, which rights do you want to see removed?
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rustybucket
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Drivel. The HRA didn't give us rights - we already had them because we are signatories to the ECHR. More than that, we helped write the bloody thing. The main point of the HRA is to allow UK citizens to go to a UK court and ask a British judge to rule on their rights according to the ECHR. Without it, the choices open to the UK are: - Remain a signatory to the ECHR but British judges will not be allowed to rule on the ECHR rights of UK citizens. UK citizens will have to take their cases to Strasbourg.
- Cease to be a signatory to the ECHR, making us the bedfellows of Belarus - the only other European non-signatory (and what a DARLING human rights record they have...)
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paulzolo
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Probably the ones he feels aren’t in his favour, but which he would cry about when they’ve gone and he suddenly finds he needs them. That’s the thing with a democracy with human rights legislation - things will go wrong, there will be anomalies. You can’t escape it without going down some even uglier paths.
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MrStevenRogers
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  | | | | ProfessorF wrote: Are UKIP going to renationalise the utilities then? Or are they funded by the sort of person who made a lot of money off the sale? Actually, you're better off with the EU employment laws than without. Thanks to the EU, we have: The Working Time Regulations 1998 The Equality Act 2010 The Agency Workers Regulations 2010 The Part Time Employees (Prevention of less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000 The Fixed Term Employees (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2002 Rights for pregnant workers and maternity leave rights – including discrimination rights for pregnancy and maternity under the Equality Act 2010 Parental Leave Rights Equal Pay – rights under The Equality Act 2010. Data Protection Collective Redundancy Consultation in the Trade Union and Labour Relations Act 1992. TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) regulations 2006 Health and Safety Human Rights Act 1998 Farage is mainly seeking to protect the interests of the people at the top of the pile. UKIP's stance is to: "We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness." "We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage." "UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders." "We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules." The first point essentially means that your rights as a worker will most likely be diminished. The second is entirely dependant on the EU. The third is a demonstrable nonsense - immigration has brought wealth to the country (they contributed £20bn to the UK over a ten year period). I also note they're keen to promote British culture, while at the same time doing nothing to support the arts and scrapping the Department for Culture Media and Sport. Farage is being painted as somehow being an alternative to the establishment when he's nothing of the sort. He's from the same background, with the same interests as the rest of them. | | | | |
sorry i missed this and could go into all the opt outs we have in place on all of the above EU employment rules and regulations as a union rep its a major minefield for employees but for the companies it works for them and the way around all this wonderful EU employment rules/regulations and our own employment laws is, wait for it ... zero hour contracts which bypass all of the above i am voting UKIP because we need to leave the EU and for no other reason and the sooner we leave the better for this country ...
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jonlumb
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| | | | MrStevenRogers wrote: | | | | ProfessorF wrote: Are UKIP going to renationalise the utilities then? Or are they funded by the sort of person who made a lot of money off the sale? Actually, you're better off with the EU employment laws than without. Thanks to the EU, we have: The Working Time Regulations 1998 The Equality Act 2010 The Agency Workers Regulations 2010 The Part Time Employees (Prevention of less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000 The Fixed Term Employees (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2002 Rights for pregnant workers and maternity leave rights – including discrimination rights for pregnancy and maternity under the Equality Act 2010 Parental Leave Rights Equal Pay – rights under The Equality Act 2010. Data Protection Collective Redundancy Consultation in the Trade Union and Labour Relations Act 1992. TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) regulations 2006 Health and Safety Human Rights Act 1998 Farage is mainly seeking to protect the interests of the people at the top of the pile. UKIP's stance is to: "We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness." "We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage." "UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders." "We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules." The first point essentially means that your rights as a worker will most likely be diminished. The second is entirely dependant on the EU. The third is a demonstrable nonsense - immigration has brought wealth to the country (they contributed £20bn to the UK over a ten year period). I also note they're keen to promote British culture, while at the same time doing nothing to support the arts and scrapping the Department for Culture Media and Sport. Farage is being painted as somehow being an alternative to the establishment when he's nothing of the sort. He's from the same background, with the same interests as the rest of them. | | | | |
sorry i missed this and could go into all the opt outs we have in place on all of the above EU employment rules and regulations as a union rep its a major minefield for employees but for the companies it works for them and the way around all this wonderful EU employment rules/regulations and our own employment laws is, wait for it ... zero hour contracts which bypass all of the above i am voting UKIP because we need to leave the EU and for no other reason and the sooner we leave the better for this country ... | | | | |
Surely what you've written actually means is we need tighter integration with Europe, and the removal of Parliament's abilities to implement these exceptions that allow companies to shaft the majority of the populace for their own financial gain.
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No no, Ed's gonna sort zero hours out. Now, if only there wasn't so much voter choice in this democracy....
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MrStevenRogers
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quite the opposite in fact, the removal from parliament the ability to have any opt out ...
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MrStevenRogers
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he is talking a little bit of sense on zero hour contracts but basing it on the working time directive ie. 12 weeks zero hour contracts should be banned totally ...
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hifidelity2
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Why - they are useful - I was on one many many years ago as a student and it suited me to the ground. I could work the hours I wanted without being tied down to specific hours
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I'm guessing you didn't rely on that money then? I had a contract for 17hrs/week at uni, that the minimum I needed to survive through my course, usually finishing the month buying the reduced sticker 20p food because that's all I could afford. If I had had any less that these hours at short notice I would have had to drop out.
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davrosG5
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For a small number of people Zero Hours contracts are exactly the right thing. The problem is they are spreading away from the situations where they are useful for the employee to be, as MrStevenRogers says, a way to avoid having to do things like pay pension contributions and provide other staff benefits in situations where the staff are working proper, regular, hours.
They're also being used in areas like healthcare so that providers can screw their staff out of paying for travel time.
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ProfessorF
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Which is why I can't fathom why he wants the government to be tied to the EU laws (if I'm reading it correctly) and still wants us out of the EU.
Presumably so that the likes of Farage and his mates can get away with doing more or less what they like.
I wonder what their plans are for things like pensions, maternity leave and sick pay.
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MrStevenRogers
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i must assume from that statement you have no understanding of, what was, British employment law it was very simple it protected the employee. it was not perfect but it worked far better then EU employment law EU employment law is designed to open up borders which allow far less protection for the employee also EU employment has so many avenues of judgement and appeal that it doesn’t work under British employment law 'our' tribunals and courts have the final say which is a far shorter route then the EU minefield which results in better protection for the employee example zero hour contracts only became possible under EU employment law not British employment law as under British employment law 1972, amended 1976 to include agencies, all employees had to be given a minimum contract of hours under the EU working time directive there is a maximum of working hours but no EU directive for a minimum of working hours it didn’t take long for employers to use this which resulted in zero hour contracts i could go on and on about this but i wouldn’t want to bore you. i just have to represent the employee(s) day in and day out fighting this contractual $hite ... ps. giving the Govt. a no opt out option means simply that they do not have any option of opting in ie. are not members of the EU ...
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ProfessorF
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MrStevenRogers
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i edited my post to include ...
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