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What is with all this Beatles hype at the minute (and am I adding to it) tell me it's not because of the console game.

Like typical scousers the Beatles stole, specifically their music from black american artists such as Chuck Berry, they must be the most overrated band in history, generally bands that are influenced by them are average or [LIFTED] ie Oasis.


Let’s not forget it was acts like Elvis Presley which took tis music and made it palatable to a far wider audience. You could equally argue that he stole what was traditionally seen as black music in a very racially divided USA.

The Beatles, like a lot of other bands forming in the early 1960s did mainly cover work - early Beatles albums are full of material that they had not written, but which formed their apprenticeship. What do you give four men with guitars and drums to play? American rock music. Send them to Hamburg and get them to play the clubs. If that is not an influence on their later music, then I don’t know what would be.

McCartney famously said that Oasis would eventually run out of his tunes to rip off. I think you will find that rock (which has roots in the blues), was one influence on the Beatles. There are definite roots in English folk music, especially in their later music (when they had stopped covering other music and had written themselves out of that music form). A lot of music in the latter half of the 1960’s derives much from the narrative tradition of folk music, as well as taking from American rock music forms.

Pink Floyd (under the influence of Syd Barret’s writing), Cream, The Idle Race (Jeff Lynne’s project before ELO), Rolling Stones and many others all have strong narrative lyrics, and use traditional music forms from this side of the pond. Mixing the two strands was something we as a nation have done very well, and it proved very popular in the USA. In effect, we sent coals to Newcastle, and got paid handsomely for it.

Let’s also not forget that the revolutionary approach to music production that the Beatles helped to pioneer would have influenced developments in technology and techniques that even Kraftwerk will have used.

The 1960s was a definite revolution in music production, engineering, recording and writing. The Beatles were at the bleeding edge of that.

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I don't care for the Beatles, personally. So I don't care two hoots if they're legacy is warmed over more often than a Little Chef lasagne. ;)


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I don't care for the Beatles, personally. So I don't care two hoots if they're legacy is warmed over more often than a Little Chef lasagne. ;)


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LaptopAcidXperience wrote:
What is with all this Beatles hype at the minute (and am I adding to it) tell me it's not because of the console game.

Like typical scousers the Beatles stole, specifically their music from black american artists such as Chuck Berry, they must be the most overrated band in history, generally bands that are influenced by them are average or s h i t i.e. Oasis.




Let’s also not forget that the revolutionary approach to music production that the Beatles helped to pioneer would have influenced developments in technology and techniques that even Kraftwerk will have used.


By the Beatles you mean the genius that was George Martin.

I wasn't really referring to production, arugably george Martin's techniques were cutting edge, Kraftwerk's production whilst exceptional, was not cutting edge, their music creation however was, use of synthesisers was of course not new, but the way in which Hutter and Schneider used them augmented with their own modifications was truly unique, even though the melodies that inspired them were from classical composers as a result of their respective musical backgrounds.

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I don't know why, but I found his expression so interesting I made an anigif of it.

I love Kraftwerk. I also love the Beatles, Oasis and many other bands. Of course none of their work was completely original; any more so than any modern band being sued for plagiarism - or any classical composer for that matter. We all take our own experiences and make of it what we can. If it's not the same, then it's different. Credit where credit is due; and I think original talent will be recognised. However, if I played you something 100% original you wouldn't even recognise it as music.

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I'd go along with that, I just think Kraftwerk were nearer to being original than anyone else through a unique combination of factors, the most notable one being their insular isolationist nature.

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