The UK, (IMO) actually could happily absorb a lump of the people making the eurotunnel terminal a mess, as could France. Neither country's government want to be seen to though and thus the problem. However the fact remains the migrants are in France, so they're technically France's problem, regardless of where they want to end up. France should really be having an argument with Italy, Greece and Turkey who are letting the migrants alone because they're not the place the migrants want to end up, they're just wanting to pass through.

In essence France is the one who is holding the parcel when the UK stops the music. And unfortunately what's in the parcel isn't very pleasant. But the law is clear.

They cannot be forced to apply for asylum or settle in France and cannot be returned to warzones


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Well, yes, that's true of genuine asylum seekers/refugees. And I'm all in favour of the EU countries getting together and sharing the load of those people by some fair system - of course the EU being able to generate that system is another issue . But regardless of that, I for one want the supposedly civilised western countries to keep to their legal and moral requirements to help those in genuine need.

Anyway, what the French can and should do (as they are currently 'resident' in France, albeit in pretty flimsy residences) is assess them to find out if they are actually refugees/asylum seekers or simply economic migrants. If they are refugees, the laws on asylum apply and what you say is correct. If they turn out to be economic migrants who are currently resident in France illegally, under international law it is France's responsibility to deal with them, not just turf them over the border so they're someone else's problem or hang around watching while they attempt to illegally gain entry to another state. The latter is equally true of Italy, Greece and Turkey, although as I say I have some sympathy for Greece in this.

All I'm suggesting is for all the people involved to act in a humane, civilised manner and stick to the laws they all signed up for - or in some cases wrote themselves. That applies to the UK, France and every state the migrants pass through. Mind you, getting any politician to adhere to a principle is surely a fools errand...

I'm wondering if the fact the platforms (where the lorries & cars enter the train) is actually after UK border control changes part of it.

They shouldn't be in France without papers without applying for Asylum (same as when they entered via Italy etc) but as soon as they cross that fence they're behind the UK border (technically of course, you could still argue its international waters).

I'd still be tempted to charter a ferry, start the rumour that it's going to the UK with lax security then once they're all on board holding it in the channel for processing

Calais migrant crisis: 'French government should offer compensation' - BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33745702

'I'm still relevant!' shouted Harman, as she was led away.

The backlog caused by French strikes isn't helping. They have really lax strike laws. I mean, stopping working is fine, but blocking roads and causing damage would be quite unacceptable here.

Really?

Our Police and the Highways Agency do it all the time

You are forgetting the fuel crisis when roads and fuel depots were blocked because petrol had risen over 80p a litre.

we are getting to the game of shooting them on sight
to stop this we need to use the Australian system

we do not need/want/require them
how much push does it take to become a shove

UKIP are going to get massive votes next election
that is most certainly including mine ...

What a load of cobblers.



Because thundering bureaucracy will make those entering illegally thinks twice alright!



The illegal ones, no, but the legitimate entries we probably do, seeing as they're 60% less likely to claim benefits than someone born here.
Plus the overall contribution of £8.8 billion to the economy over anything they gained.


We'll be [LIFTED] then.
Why not simply emigrate with the other 5.5 million Brits who're someone else immigrants and see how that goes?

no it will not it will be a new beginning
i have a duel passport but i refuse to leave the battlefield
(ps i have not renewed my passport for over 20 years, im digging in for the long term)

all of our so called EU partners are ensuring that all illegals are funnelled to the ports that enable travel to the UK
we need to leave the EU and let them get on with this. we can safe guard our borders without any help from our called EU partners ...

I'm on your side of the argument generally, but I think you're using that statistic incorrectly. That figure was discerned to be the economic contribution of ALL non-native people resident in the UK - i.e. legal migrants, asylum seekers etc. The contribution by people coming through the tunnel and claiming asylum, legitimately or not, is probably quite a small fraction of that; I suspect the figure is very much inflated by City workers at international banks. It's still likely to be a positive number it's just likely to be a very, very much smaller one.

Plus anyone claiming asylum is pretty much unable to make an economic contribution for (on average) several years as they can't work and therefore add into the economy while their claim is ongoing.

Plus obviously the situation is complex and the study by definition cannot be 'complete', so not surprisingly given the political capital that can be made of it, the conclusions of the study are.. disputed.

Overall, we can argue whether it's good for the country to let these people in but that study of itself is far from definitive proof in either direction.

very simple answer to that problem
anyone housing/renting/accommodating/employing or allowing to be employed any illegals have all their property reprocessed under process of crime
this will include any and all private individuals and companies ...

Not true at all even in that sense. And not true at all insofar as this year Germany has accepted 10 times as many asylum seekers as the UK has. Which may be proportionally about the same 'impact' but the idea they're loading people onto trains and shipping them to Northern France is ludicrous in the extreme.

Jon

and they give them EU visas to enable travel anywhere within the EU
where do you think they are heading. answers on a post card please ...

and as a PS. if they have visas from any EU so called partner country(s) they are not classed as illegals ...