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I can genuinely type faster for random stuff like blogs and tweets on my iPad than I can on my MacBook.

There was an apple patent that I read the other day about keyboards with no moving keys but with a haptic engine in each.

The trackpad on the current MacBookPro has no moving parts but the haptic feedback makes it feel like you are pressing it inward.

A keyboard with the same technology would be interesting and much thinner than a conventional one.


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Give me a real keyboard any day.

There's nothing stopping you connecting a 'real keyboard' to an tablet. Arguably then it's not a tablet any more of course.

My keyboard requires 2 USB ports to draw power... Not seeing many tablets with 2 USB ports.

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Give me a real keyboard any day.

There's nothing stopping you connecting a 'real keyboard' to an tablet. Arguably then it's not a tablet any more of course.

My keyboard requires 2 USB ports to draw power... Not seeing many tablets with 2 USB ports.

Your keyboard needs 10V? Does it use valves?


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OK, I'll bite. What keyboard have you got, Dave?

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I do prefer mechanical movement on typing. I still find typing on an iPad troublesome. It's not just the travel/damping that's the issue here, it's also the lack of anything real. You don't really know if you hit a key or not, and software guesses incorrectly a lot of times.

This is why I'm rather interested in the iPad Pro and the Pencil. I found writing on a Newton far better than using a keyboard, and I think in the situations where I use such a device, I am more inclined to use a stylus rather than a soft keyboard, but the universal support the Newton had is not there in iOS.

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I do prefer mechanical movement on typing. I still find typing on an iPad troublesome. It's not just the travel/damping that's the issue here, it's also the lack of anything real. You don't really know if you hit a key or not, and software guesses incorrectly a lot of times.

This is why I'm rather interested in the iPad Pro and the Pencil. I found writing on a Newton far better than using a keyboard, and I think in the situations where I use such a device, I am more inclined to use a stylus rather than a soft keyboard, but the universal support the Newton had is not there in iOS.


Shouldn't be too difficult to implement - there's a handwriting recognition engine built into OS X so it shouldn't be too hard for them to port it over (assuming the want to of course).

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OK, I'll bite. What keyboard have you got, Dave?

Razer Blackwidow

http://www.razerzone.com/de-de/gaming-k ... blackwidow

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Tablets, Laptops and desktops are completely different devices each with their own strengths and weaknesses.

For a lot of people the facilities that a tablet offers are more than enough.

For me, until a tablet supports all the applications that I currently run on my MacBook Pro and has the same physical size screen it won't be a feasible substitute. And there is unlikely to be a tablet in the near future that will have enough processing power and connectivity to replace my desktop system.

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big_D wrote:
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OK, I'll bite. What keyboard have you got, Dave?

Razer Blackwidow

http://www.razerzone.com/de-de/gaming-k ... blackwidow

One of those is just for the passthrough ports, it won't stop you using the keyboard.

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I like real keyboards, but even those days are numbered. Apple already do a trackpad that has no moving parts - it used a haptic engine to provide a feeling of a click. A keyboard which is a solid entity which uses haptics to give the impression of being pressed is likely the next development of that.

Not entirely sure about this - the travel of a key is not simply about haptic feedback, it's also about the mechanical process of pressing a key. It's about 'damping' the act of striking something with the end of your finger.

A while back there seemed to be a lot of noise about laser 'projected keyboards' that allowed you to type on pretty much any flat surface. But of course such a keyboard would likely have zero travel, as to the virtual keyboards on tablets. I tried one and had to stop after about ten minutes as my fingers were hurting - there was nothing to damp the act of striking a solid surface with in fact a very sensitive part of my anatomy.


Try using your fingers next time ;)

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big_D wrote:
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OK, I'll bite. What keyboard have you got, Dave?

Razer Blackwidow

http://www.razerzone.com/de-de/gaming-k ... blackwidow

One of those is just for the passthrough ports, it won't stop you using the keyboard.


Yup, I've got a Blackwidow too and it runs quite happily on just one USB cable.

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big_D wrote:
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OK, I'll bite. What keyboard have you got, Dave?

Razer Blackwidow

http://www.razerzone.com/de-de/gaming-k ... blackwidow

One of those is just for the passthrough ports, it won't stop you using the keyboard.

When I only plug in one, it doesn't work... I've tried both on their own and it doesn't respond.

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When I only plug in one, it doesn't work... I've tried both on their own and it doesn't respond.

Defective board, maybe?

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I do prefer mechanical movement on typing. I still find typing on an iPad troublesome. It's not just the travel/damping that's the issue here, it's also the lack of anything real. You don't really know if you hit a key or not, and software guesses incorrectly a lot of times.

This is why I'm rather interested in the iPad Pro and the Pencil. I found writing on a Newton far better than using a keyboard, and I think in the situations where I use such a device, I am more inclined to use a stylus rather than a soft keyboard, but the universal support the Newton had is not there in iOS.


Shouldn't be too difficult to implement - there's a handwriting recognition engine built into OS X so it shouldn't be too hard for them to port it over (assuming the want to of course).


There are handwriting recognition keyboards for iOS, but you need a slightly faster iPad than I have, and it’s all going on in the keyboard space - very Palm. The thing with the Newton is that you could write anywhere on the screen, and the text would appear where you wrote it, much like you would expect it to do so in a notepad. The exception to that would be NewtWorks (Newton’s own Claris/AppleWorks software) which would put text where the cursor was. I still think that Siri and dictation are hit or miss - it’s far less accurate for me than I expect, and I don’t mumble. Apple handwriting recognition on the Newton was pretty savvy, and it learned as you went, so on mine it got very accurate. What is on the Mac has been left to languish for a long time, and doesn’t have the depth of tuning that it had on the Newton.

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