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Once it's economically viable, I'm getting a wind turbine. Right now, it would take me over 17 years to save enough by using one to be able to pay for the thing!!

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+1 for nuclear. It's the only realistic alternative.


What about solar mirrors generating power? A handful in southern Spain, Portugal or even North Africa could generate sufficient power for Europe and beyond without much grief, and it's vastly cheaper. No mineral processing, mining, transporting nasty stuff or dealing with waste products for starters.

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Linux_User wrote:
+1 for nuclear. It's the only realistic alternative.


What about solar mirrors generating power? A handful in southern Spain, Portugal or even North Africa could generate sufficient power for Europe and beyond without much grief, and it's vastly cheaper. No mineral processing, mining, transporting nasty stuff or dealing with waste products for starters.


If it's that easy why aren't we doing it? Plus I'm not keen on the idea of a foreign power controlling our power supply, especially one as fickle as Spain.

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Control is an illusion.

What this problem needs (and is unlikely to get) is a global solution with unilateral support.


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If it's that easy why aren't we doing it? Plus I'm not keen on the idea of a foreign power controlling our power supply, especially one as fickle as Spain.

They've had a solar furnace in Odeillo, France since 1970 clicky.

Simples, France and other places should use solar furnaces, us in the wetter climates should use osmosis reactors (when they get created that is).

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Most the nations power is already controlled by foreign companies, isn't it? :?

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Most the nations power is already controlled by foreign companies, isn't it? :?


Exactly. Most of the nations everything is "controlled" by somebody who isn't us. What does it matter?


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Nations no longer exist, there are only companies.

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Most the nations power is already controlled by foreign companies, isn't it? :?


No, all of the assets are in this country so HMG can easily seize control in a heartbeat (e.g. national emergency). We can't however, assert control over the United Kingdom's power production if it's being produced in southern Spain.

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What does it matter?


A) They might not always be friendly and B) They might use it against us as political leverage (e.g. as Russia does with gas, or the Middle East does with oil).

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Nations no longer exist, there are only companies.


Hit the nail on the head.

Linux, I understand the sentiment, but there really is very little you or anyone else can do about where we get our energy, or anything else, from. Unless you make or grow stuff yourself, you simply consume it and have relatively little choice about it.

It doesn't matter where the nuclear power comes from, providing it offers a credible alternative to the current situation.


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adidan wrote:
Nations no longer exist, there are only companies.


Hit the nail on the head.

Linux, I understand the sentiment, but there really is very little you or anyone else can do about where we get our energy, or anything else, from. Unless you make or grow stuff yourself, you simply consume it and have relatively little choice about it.

It doesn't matter where the nuclear power comes from, providing it offers a credible alternative to the current situation.


Oh no of course, there's really no difference at all to generating power within our own borders or within someone else's. Disagreements and wars never spring up out of nowhere and catch us unaware. :roll:

Of course generating our own power within our own borders is more secure, and of course we have a choice.

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adidan wrote:
Nations no longer exist, there are only companies.


Hit the nail on the head.

Linux, I understand the sentiment, but there really is very little you or anyone else can do about where we get our energy, or anything else, from. Unless you make or grow stuff yourself, you simply consume it and have relatively little choice about it.

It doesn't matter where the nuclear power comes from, providing it offers a credible alternative to the current situation.


Oh no of course, there's really no difference at all to generating power within our own borders or within someone else's. Disagreements and wars never spring up out of nowhere and catch us unaware. :roll:

Of course generating our own power within our own borders is more secure, and of course we have a choice.


Then run for office if you think you can make a difference. Or only consume goods, services and power that are exclusively "controlled" by the UK. I dare you.


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Then run for office if you think you can make a difference. Or only consume goods, services and power that are exclusively "controlled" by the UK. I dare you.


Why do I need to run for public office? The UK already generates its own power. The fact that the assets "owned" by a foreign company is neither here nor there, the Government can step in during an emergency and seize the UK's power-producing assets.

We can't do that if the assets are in Spain.

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That assumes that the government will act in your/our interests when it comes to power, or anything else. You should run for office if you feel passionately about retain things (including power generation) in the UK.


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