Agreed.
As my uncle used to say "you're entitled to your opinion, in fact, I'd fight for your right to be wrong."

He's so slippery. Of course, like so many politicians, he wants to be seen to be tough on crime but so many of his party have criminal records. Again, of course, they're not your nasty bad criminals that scare your Gran, merely people who with a committed value and belief system.

I'm more surprised they let David Cameron on TV, to be honest. I really wish they wouldn't. The tories are just the BNP with manners and an overwhelming insincerity and I find that worse than anything.

...an overwhelming chance of winning the next election (so far).

Yes, by simply telling you that someone else is to blame for your lot in life, and without offering any real solution to it.

Of course, it doesn't help that Gordy is handing it to them on a platter.

I shall watch the show tonight with great interest, I'd dearly love to see Griffin put on the spot and squirming in his seat.

I think they call it "propaganda". Most parties are guilty; it's just a question of degree.

*resists temptation to compare religion*


Watching it now.

Griffin & the KKK. As the man said; it's on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

From what I saw tonight, if you pay your licence fee you're already paying for him to boost the BBC's ratings, so why not Strictly?

And yes, I'd probably watch too

Getting back to QT tonight, I'm struggling to remember ever watching an episode that was so single-minded, in this case essentially focusing on one political leader for shock value (or the potential) - I got 25 minutes in and switched it off. At least up until that point, there was little questioning of the BNP's actual policies; even the likes of Gerry Adams get questioned on their intentions in what passes for political debate over here

Where was that quote from? One thing that struck me about the program was that - with the honourable exception of Bonnie Greer - most of the panelists spent an awful lot of time going on about what other people think or would do, and very little about what they think or would do..

I'd say part of the job of any politician is to make the policies of his or her party that aren't very... pleasant (and they all have them, just the BNP have a lot more than the rest) as low profile as possible and shove the more popular stuff up the front. That's just politics. As I said before, Griffin may be a nutball but he's not an idiot.

Griffin didn't do as well as he might have done (Thank God) but I don't think most of the rest of the panel came up smelling of roses either to be honest. Jack Straw did some fairly blatant question dodging when it would have been simpler to just have been honest and would probably have looked better too.

And was that really an elderly Indian gentleman in the audience going on about how the EU have let 'all the eastern euorpeans in'? Oh the irony.

Overall a useful exercise I think. Not likely to be the end of the BNP - as long as we have differences between people we're going to have the likes of them - but certainly not the propaganda coup for them that some of the eejits waving banners outside Broadcasting House were claiming it would be.

Jon

Yeah, I did feel that maybe the whole immigration/race thing was over stated - would have been nice for that to be disassembled quickly and for the real meat and potatoes of running a country to be discussed. Just what are their economic policies? What would they do about the economy and the NHS?
Plenty of ground to have shown the BNP up for what they are - more or less a single issue hate group.

I thought that Nick Griffin looked like a moron. He kept going on about the indigenous English. They do not exist. After the ice age the Neanderthals were the indigenous group before Homo Sapiens arrived. Then for a long time the British Isles were populated primarily by Picts and Celts. Then you have to add in over the ages doses of Romans, and other nations brought in with the Roman. The Picts and Celts who were pushed into Wales and Scotland by the arrival of the Anglo Saxons, Danes and Jutes. Then came the Vikings. Then 1066 brought a pile of frogs. All have interbred and so there is no real indigenous English. And he goes on about protecting the indigenous English from genocide?

To be fair, that programme was never going to explore any of the less radical or possibly even acceptable policies that the BNP have. It was always going to be a single issue show.

Auntie Beeb was fair and let him on the show, she didn't anything about not doing a hatchet job on him.

As I said earlier, it was in danger of becoming a farce. To a degree it was a farce, but not so much in the way I expected. I thought the audience were going to be the ones kneejerking at Griffin but, in fact, it was the MPs from the Libs, Cons and Lab.

Bonnie Greer was awesome. Cool, composed and razor sharp.

Even Dimblebubble had a good time of it, and managed to rip into all of the MPs and leave each of them gaping in turn.

He was trying to compare the white population as existed over 10,000 years ago to the people we call "indigenous" or "aboriginal" in other countries, such as American Indians and the <SQL HATES BLACK PEOPLE ERROR General Error
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The only flaw* in his argument is that the Polish and the "Pakis" are not coming in heavily armed shooting and enslaving all the "natives". For the most part, they're just living and traveling to attain a better life, much like "northern folk" traveling to Londinium to seek their fortune.

*Quite a big flaw.

Even the apple tree is not native to this country. Apple crumble is as foreign as pizza. It's still tasty, unlike that foreign muck (<- sarcasm smiley).

I like pizza.

Actually I believe they have many opinions on issues other than just immigration and race like health and whatnot much like the nazi policies on usuary.They are a reflection on the nationalist-socialist party of 1930s germany that is so famous.

Just for the record I'm neither pro nor anti BNP and the intention of my comment was the opposite of what you perceived it to be, unless I have of course have incorrectly perceived your comment.

The point I was trying to make is that Nick Griffin doesn't have enough pzazz or presence or personality or whatever to win people over, whereas Hitler did.

The other thing about Hitler was that he tremendous financial and behind the scenes political backing, and it wouldn't surprise me if the BNP is starting to get that. I suspect Nick Griffin is the first in a long line of people who will make the BNP acceptable and possibly even electable, providing they get media backing and we all know how mad Rupert Murdoch is.