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Further details seem to suggest that the driver failed to stop for Police for some considerable time (some 8 miles at 30/40 mph, that's over 10 minutes), and only stopped when a Police stinger was deployed.

Understandably then, the Police were quick to ensure he couldn't get away again.

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The scene changes dramatically when the Range Rover is stopped, apparently by a stinger device laid across the road by police from another unit, who also flag down the car on foot.


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He was found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, of failing to stop for a police officer and of having tinted car windows that did not conform to legal requirements....and admitted having a non-regulation registration plate.


Jolly good show.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/0 ... -car-chase

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I'm with the Police on this one. He was trying to drive away, I expect the Police were smashing his window to try and remove the keys from the ignition (as all forces do across the country).


UN [LIFTED] BELIEVABLE.

No Heather, it's not you. There is something wrong. Irrespective of circumstances, a traffic offence does not warrant this kind of thug-like behaviour. Good on the guy who pulled over to check it out.

Regardless of what happened prior to the clip, the vehicle is now stopped and cannot continue. I would expect the chap to be ushered out of his vehicle calmly. This video just looks like the end of a deadly car chase following a bank robbery or something.

The lack of professionalism by these fancy dress clowns is evident for everyone to see. A cool, reasonable cop is extremely rare these days and the country's seriously worse off for it.


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He was found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, of failing to stop for a police officer and of having tinted car windows that did not conform to legal requirements....and admitted having a non-regulation registration plate.

Yes, a series of incredibly risky and serious offences that absolutely justify the level of violence used by the officers in the apprehension of this plainly out of control, dangerous criminal.

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The police clearly over reacted. These are fixed penalty offences. He could have been sent the summons in the post without need to puncture all his tyres smash his windows damage the bonnet. I would be suing for damages as the police clearly over reacted. Was the stinger necessary? If he went through the net road block then use the stinger.

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Mr Whatley, of Usk, Monmouthshire, who is disabled, drove off at Cwmbran last September, allegedly knocked one of the officers, after police attempted to issue him with a fixed penalty notice.

The pensioner appeared at a two-day trial before Caerphilly magistrates court.

He was found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, of failing to stop and of having tinted windows that did not conform to legal requirements.


If "knocked one of the officers" means that the guy hit him as he drove away, then what's wrong with pulling him over? Furthermore, if the bloke then doesn't stop and even when he eventually pulls over doesn't get out of his car what's wrong with removing him from the car?

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when he eventually pulls over doesn't get out of his car what's wrong with removing him from the car?


There's nothing wrong with removing him from the car. It's just the way the officers did it.

They appeared to beat the f*ck out of the guy's car, like he was a bank robber or some terrorist or something. Some measure of common sense ought to have been used, but it appeared that the red mist had descended and brute force took over from calm and measured.

I have no issue with the police trying to carry out their duties, but when they appear to turn rogue, we should all begin to wonder why.

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They appeared to beat the f*ck out of the guy's car,

The Police aren't the only ones going rogue it seems. :shock:

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The police clearly over reacted. These are fixed penalty offences. He could have been sent the summons in the post without need to puncture all his tyres smash his windows damage the bonnet. I would be suing for damages as the police clearly over reacted. Was the stinger necessary? If he went through the net road block then use the stinger.


You're evading the Police, yes the stinger is necessary. You've driven away from the scene, and are refusing (either actively or negligently) to stop for a Police Officer (on blues and twos no less). If I was the Policeman, my first instinct is going to be that you're hiding something.

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The police clearly over reacted. These are fixed penalty offences. He could have been sent the summons in the post without need to puncture all his tyres smash his windows damage the bonnet. I would be suing for damages as the police clearly over reacted. Was the stinger necessary? If he went through the net road block then use the stinger.


You're evading the Police, yes the stinger is necessary. You've driven away from the scene, and are refusing (either actively or negligently) to stop for a Police Officer (on blues and twos no less). If I was the Policeman, my first instinct is going to be that you're hiding something.

They had previously stopped him. If he was such a threat they should have stopped him getting in the car. Chances are that he called then [LIFTED] as he drove away. The sirens are abused so just because they have sirens on does not mean that it is serious. They could be rushing back to get home to watch the footie. It has happened before. I do not see this ending without some sackings.

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What next? Mark liking 3D? :?


I don't follow.

There's increasing evidence that the police "service" in this country are routinely overstepping the mark when it comes to law and order.

I'm not saying all coppers are bad. Most of them have a tough job to do, and I support them entirely. Some, however, seem to take the law into their own hands, interpret laws as they see fit, and use unnecessary violence. It's just the way it appears to me, following the news media as lightly as I do.

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What next? Mark liking 3D? :?


I don't follow.

I was commenting on your use of a sweary

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I was commenting on your use of a sweary


Heh.

I am prone to them occasionally. Generally they get used when they have most impact, not as punctuation like the 12-year-olds that walked past me the other day.

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What next? Mark liking 3D? :?


I don't follow.

There's increasing evidence that the police "service" in this country are routinely overstepping the mark when it comes to law and order.

I'm not saying all coppers are bad. Most of them have a tough job to do, and I support them entirely. Some, however, seem to take the law into their own hands, interpret laws as they see fit, and use unnecessary violence. It's just the way it appears to me, following the news media as lightly as I do.


I don't support them entirely. I've never encountered a pleasant one. They were out of line in this case and they continue to be out of line in plenty more. But as long as the majority think like Linux, they will continue to be allowed to be like it.


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People need to trust the police but incidents like this show that there is one law for them and another for the rest of us.

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Although the cops appear at least to me to overreact it will be interesting to hear the outcome and the details we havent been told. It sounds like the car might have hit one of the coppers which I wouldnt be best pleased with. If - and i'm speculating - this guy had a bad attitude and was giving abuse for being stopped, etc, then clipped a copper when driving off before they'd finished, then wouldnt stop for a few miles until the spike strip was brought out, I could understand the tactic. Just because he's a bit older doesnt make him innocent and/or a nice bloke.

But.... I dont know what's true and what isnt. The video certainly looks like the cops went hell for leather at the car but then thats all we see. We dont see anything what happened before.

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