Not on my side. I pay extra for a "gaming" add on that means reduced ping times. And I wasn't the Only one affected. The whole lobby was complaining.

Well as you clearly have eliminated that excuse then you are right to be frustrated.


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Everyone keeps going on about how big the XBox one is.

But look at the controller next to it. It really isn't big at all. In fact, it looks smaller than the current XBox 360.

This isn't correct apparently.

I keep seeing conflicting accounts, both from outlets and MS themselves!

It might be because MS are testing the waters as to whether they will be able to get away with it? Maybe developers are demanding it and so they are talking to two different groups. All it will do is harm sales until this is cleared up. Those who sell games will need to know before they buy as they will either have to take a lower price to sell the game or be stuck with the game. Those that buy second hand games also need to factor in the additional costs. The only group who will not be impacted will be those who never buy or sell games, and that might be large or small numbers.


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Overall impression seems to be it's a bit like Steam.As faras I can see...

When you install a new game, it registers that against your XBL account. That means if you go to a friend's house, you can take the disk with you, log in with your account on their machine and the game will be installed from the disk and you'll be able to play it. What won't be able to happen is your friend log in with his account, stick the disk in and play it, because there's no copy of the game registered against his account.

So that's fine, really, although it's faff (depends how long the install times are I suppose).

if you have a copy of the game and it's already been used, you can still register that game against your account, but you'll be charged a fee to do it. The size of that fee is something they're not talking about yet. Logically, for the publishers, there's no reason for the fee to be anything other than what it would cost to buy the game digitally anyway i.e. likely same as RRP, at least for new games, because that's effectively what you're doing. Who knows if the price will drop over time (publishers will certainly want it to stay as high as possible for as long as possible).

The murky part is if you have more than one account on the same Xbox One. That is the part that's very confused. I don't know exactly how the 360 works but on the PS3 you have a 'master' account -essentially supposed to be a parent - and several 'sub' accounts. The master account can do things like limit what the sub accounts can buy and how much they can spend. The latest story seems to be that Xbox One will have a similar system and if you register the game to the master account the sub accounts will be able to play it. But I get the very strong feeling they hadn't actually thought about this part when they announced the 'install/lock' scheme and they're pretty much making it up on the hoof.

Upshot : You can take your XBox One games round to a friend's house and play them, although it'll be some faff. You probably can buy one copy of a game per family. If you just flat share or something, unless one person volunteers to buy all the games, you're going to buy one each (or share log ins). You won't be able to borrow a game to a friend or rent a game or buy a second hand game - or at least you will, but there'll be absolutely no point as it'll probably cost more than just buying the game from Amazon.

It might well be easier to take your entire Xbox One round to a friends house rather than just the game disc.

Only if you've got an estate car

In which case games prices will have to fall significantly to cover the loss of revenue that normal first time gamers get from selling to put towards the next game. In which case they might find out that they killed the golden goose, but they will probably blame piracy or something similar.

Yeah. Good luck with that one.

Read the whole thing and it becomes pretty clear MS doesn't have a clue what's happening either

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/40 ... -xbox-one/

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Microsoft: Xbox One pre-owned plans 'consistent with way the world works'

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/40 ... rld-works/

A quick rundown

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/40 ... the-facts/

What I think will happen is people will budget in the extra costs when they get the game. If second hand games are blocked then they might actually not buy the console in the first place. People will react different according to their normal usage. Everyone is different. I suspect that the games developers might initially do well but once reviews are out and limitations are clear that purchases might decline significantly. You only have to see how it would affect you to determine how you would react to being unable to sell games. Would you be even more cautious with initial purchases or wait till it has reached a lower price knowing that you could not sell it on. If you buy a lot of second hand games would you even buy the console in the first place?