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My thoughts are with the victims. As long as this will be investigated properly we need to stop speculating as there could be people who knew and hide the fact. Prosecutions could be possible. So we need to let the BBC and the police do their job.

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I don't think any of that *means* anything though? What's the motivation for people coming forward now? It's not as though they're suddenly no longer afraid of making accusations because he's dead, he's been dead for over a year now. There's no evidence, unless these people have all got photographs of themselves being abused or tape recording or video then nothing can come of it. Biological evidence will be non-existent so what's the motivation? If they were abused so many years ago then what are the chances that they're still so traumatised that they need support now? I think that's sort of my point over all, unless they're all hoping for compensation from some foundation he owned or something then absolutely nothing can come of it, except pulling down the reputation of someone who (regardless of anything else) spent almost all of his life working and raising money to make other peoples lives better!

It's something they've had a to live with for a long time, and now, finally, they can let it out and try to move on.

I suspect many of these people felt completely unable to come forward with their allegations, particularly with Savile's celebrity status, but once they saw other people were coming forward it gave them the courage to speak out.

I don't normally go "tabloid" on these things, but given some of the allegations - such as molesting a brain-damaged girl in hospital - I can't think of a more deserving candidate for intense media scrutiny and public outrage. The fact he's dead should not stop the full details being investigated and revealed, I don't see why we should protect a man's reputation just because he's dead.

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I don't think any of that *means* anything though? What's the motivation for people coming forward now? It's not as though they're suddenly no longer afraid of making accusations because he's dead, he's been dead for over a year now. There's no evidence, unless these people have all got photographs of themselves being abused or tape recording or video then nothing can come of it. Biological evidence will be non-existent so what's the motivation? If they were abused so many years ago then what are the chances that they're still so traumatised that they need support now? I think that's sort of my point over all, unless they're all hoping for compensation from some foundation he owned or something then absolutely nothing can come of it, except pulling down the reputation of someone who (regardless of anything else) spent almost all of his life working and raising money to make other peoples lives better!


For the sake of argument, let's say you've been abused by a famous, who you trusted, when you were 14.
Now in your middle age, you've been carrying this around most of your life, watching your abuser being lauded for all his good work - but you know something different.
You might not feel strong enough to stand up against a 'national treasure' who does a lot of charity work - you might think nobody will believe you.
However, after that persons death you feel it's safe enough to come forward and tell people what he did to you, for no other reason than you don't have to keep that secret any more.

I suspect it's grounded in the same place in a person's psyche that means most rape isn't reported.


also the system was protecting it for 40 odd years
how does a young child fight the system
and also lower, middle and upper management

a bit hard for some 13 year old to fight the BBC executive ...

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also the system was protecting it for 40 odd years
how does a young child fight the system
also lower, middle and upper management

a bit hard for some 13 year old to fight the BBC executive ...

Chances are that they never tried because he told them who would believe them? No need for any cover up conspiracy.

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also the system was protecting it for 40 odd years
how does a young child fight the system
also lower, middle and upper management

a bit hard for some 13 year old to fight the BBC executive ...

Chances are that they never tried because he told them who would believe them? No need for any cover up conspiracy.



the cover up happened for over 40 years (BBC, NHS, care homes ... jersey, leeds)
that can not be done without help, aiding and abetting

only a nonce will cover a nonce

not just for savile but for others that have been already convicted
king, gadd, etc within the same circle

they knew and allowed a (nearly) state burial for it
the family destroyed the head stones, does that not bugger the question (that they know more then us) ...

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I agree that may be the case, but a year after?

It's not as if he's just passed away and after a sigh of relief you can feel safe in reporting at last, this is a whole year afterwards? What would you be hoping for? As a victim of rape I reported it to ensure that the person got punished and I could feel some closure from the fact that people knew and he'd been punished. With the physical evidence and my testimony it was 'only just enough' to convict as he was a boyfriend, but nothing can come of this, no punishment can be had, not even a conviction, my question remains, what is is the motivation?

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nothing can come of this, no punishment can be had, not even a conviction, my question remains, what is is the motivation?


To give the victims peace of mind?
If it helps the victims come to terms with it, and hopefully shakes some bad things out of the BBC tree, does it matter?
The man was seen as almost saintly. For one person to stand up against everything he was seen as, is pretty brave.
And clearly, from all the witness statements the Police have received they presumably have identified his typical behaviour, and are matching statements that fit to get an idea of who's laying it on and who's legitimately got a complaint.

The thing is that there are people alive and possibly still working in the BBC who know the truth of the matter.
But it's all gone pretty quiet.

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I agree that may be the case, but a year after?

It's not as if he's just passed away and after a sigh of relief you can feel safe in reporting at last, this is a whole year afterwards? What would you be hoping for? As a victim of rape I reported it to ensure that the person got punished and I could feel some closure from the fact that people knew and he'd been punished. With the physical evidence and my testimony it was 'only just enough' to convict as he was a boyfriend, but nothing can come of this, no punishment can be had, not even a conviction, my question remains, what is is the motivation?

I am sorry to hear what happened to you. Statistically 90% if all rapes are by someone that the victim knows. The whole judicial system is stacked against any victim, more so if it is a teenager and they could be considered vulnerable and suggestible.

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How could the motivation not be clear? Jesus Christ.

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Zippy wrote:
I agree that may be the case, but a year after?

It's not as if he's just passed away and after a sigh of relief you can feel safe in reporting at last, this is a whole year afterwards? What would you be hoping for? As a victim of rape I reported it to ensure that the person got punished and I could feel some closure from the fact that people knew and he'd been punished. With the physical evidence and my testimony it was 'only just enough' to convict as he was a boyfriend, but nothing can come of this, no punishment can be had, not even a conviction, my question remains, what is is the motivation?


to find them that aided and abetted
and ensure they have nothing, not a thing, left ...

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Ok, to find those who aided and abetted a series of 'alleged' abuses that allegedly happened 20-30 years ago by a man who is now dead? IMHO unless those people decide to confess (which is pretty unlikely if they've been involved in a 'conspiracy of silence' until now) then nothing will come of it.

As to the alleged victims, without meaning to sound callous (because I've been there) why wait until now to get help? If they were so traumatised that they feel the need to bring this all out now, how could they NOT have got help before?

This type of abuse sits deep and affects everything about your life, how you interact with people etc. Counselling is freely available on the NHS, not to mention Victim Support, Samaritans and the myriad of other not-for-profit organisations that cater specifically for this type of thing.

You may not believe me, but honestly I'm still asking the question 'why now? what are they hoping to achieve?'

If this all gets settled with a payout from a Saville foundation then we'll know, but he still won't actually be guilty of anything.

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It's odd. Reading through the thread. Everyone is posting as though he is absolutely guilty and there is no other option. Only Zippy is posting as though nothing has actually been found or proven yet.

I am sceptical about the whole thing. I'm not saying he is innocent. Just that it seems off given the timings of everything.

I'm with Zippy on this. Just because there is an investigation doesn't mean he is guilty.

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Ok, to find those who aided and abetted a series of 'alleged' abuses that allegedly happened 20-30 years ago by a man who is now dead? IMHO unless those people decide to confess (which is pretty unlikely if they've been involved in a 'conspiracy of silence' until now) then nothing will come of it.

As to the alleged victims, without meaning to sound callous (because I've been there) why wait until now to get help? If they were so traumatised that they feel the need to bring this all out now, how could they NOT have got help before?

This type of abuse sits deep and affects everything about your life, how you interact with people etc. Counselling is freely available on the NHS, not to mention Victim Support, Samaritans and the myriad of other not-for-profit organisations that cater specifically for this type of thing.

You may not believe me, but honestly I'm still asking the question 'why now? what are they hoping to achieve?'

If this all gets settled with a payout from a Saville foundation then we'll know, but he still won't actually be guilty of anything.


not by 'one' man but a series of men for over 40 years (4 decades)
upheld and abetted by their management (lower, middle and upper)
be that BBC, NHS or care homes here or else where

these people that supported/allowed/consented to this need to be brought to court and everything they have taken away ...

cases from the 70's and 80's have been passed to the met, but only now
these cases never made court, lets hope they do

read Leeds care home 'savile' ...

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Ok, to find those who aided and abetted a series of 'alleged' abuses that allegedly happened 20-30 years ago by a man who is now dead? IMHO unless those people decide to confess (which is pretty unlikely if they've been involved in a 'conspiracy of silence' until now) then nothing will come of it.

As to the alleged victims, without meaning to sound callous (because I've been there) why wait until now to get help? If they were so traumatised that they feel the need to bring this all out now, how could they NOT have got help before?

This type of abuse sits deep and affects everything about your life, how you interact with people etc. Counselling is freely available on the NHS, not to mention Victim Support, Samaritans and the myriad of other not-for-profit organisations that cater specifically for this type of thing.

You may not believe me, but honestly I'm still asking the question 'why now? what are they hoping to achieve?'

If this all gets settled with a payout from a Saville foundation then we'll know, but he still won't actually be guilty of anything.


savile himself admitted ..,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_1/

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It's odd. Reading through the thread. Everyone is posting as though he is absolutely guilty and there is no other option. Only Zippy is posting as though nothing has actually been found or proven yet.

I am sceptical about the whole thing. I'm not saying he is innocent. Just that it seems off given the timings of everything.

I'm with Zippy on this. Just because there is an investigation doesn't mean he is guilty.

I am open minded about this. I have no interest either way. I just want this investigated properly. My attitude is that he could be innocent or guilty, we do not know. The problem is that the press act like mob chorus leaders. They have already decided that he is guilty. Overall he could be guilty considering the numbers of complaints that have come out.

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