with zero hour contracts you have no rights or entitlements. full stop.

i wish to shake the establishment to its core
i would sooner do that by the ballot box
as i do not wish to go back to the dark days of the 70's
or even worse which i can see happening
take away hope and a dream you are only left with what ?. we are heading to what ...

Funny thing is, if we abided by the EU rulings, we wouldn't have zero hour contracts. The Working Time Directive wouldn't have permitted it.
Elana Crasta of the TUC said "For the temporary agency workers directive, the UK has negotiated two opt-outs that it is using and even abusing."

As for the 70s, I wasn't born until half way through that decade, but I'm told it was the most egalitarian period in UK history. The gap between rich and poor was never as narrow.
Unemployment was shocking - perhaps closer EU ties at the time would have avoided that.

Either way, the more right wing parties aren't interested in as peoples rights as much as profit. They'd also have you believe 'Trickle down economics' are a real thing.

Which you are proposing to do by voting for one of the most "Establishment" party leaders there is?!?!

I asked the 70s what they thought of that notion.

They said this

Far from perfect, I accept, however, the 70s were a period notable for the gap between rich and poor being the narrowest it has ever been (and possibly will ever be).
I'm more than happy to get into a media study of the period, if you fancy.

If we're going to talk about hopelessly outdated objects of derision that appeal only to the terminally hard of thinking, I submit that On The Buses and It Ain't Half Hot Mum are much less egregious than Nigel Farage.

I would point out that UK culture was hugely obsessed with class divisions at the time, which in itself prevents accurate use of words such as "egalitarian". I could add that any appearance of rising equality was a mirage caused partly by the downward pressure on capital assets caused by stagflation, and partly by the temporary transfer of extra profits to labour caused by unsustainable industrial belligerence that ultimately resulted in Thatcher.

The UK should have been more egalitarian in the 70s, then unions and management could have worked together to increase wages through higher productivity. Just as it should be more egalitarian today, and invite foreign talent to boost our companies. But everyone seems to prefer fairy tales of one sort or another.

It seems to work well enough over here. The unions have a lot of sway and the working time directive is controlled by spot checks. Likewise Zoll (Customs & Excise) do random checks on businesses for illegal foreign workers, cash in hand (Schwarzarbeit) and too many hours.

The 450€ jobs are tax free - you can even have a 450€ job when unemployed. This is the maximum you can earn with the job. Our daughter is studying and is working as a registered nurse for a home nursing service on a 450€ job, the hourly rate she gets means she can work a maximum of around 30 hours a month.


Similar in Germany. The work council also has a lot of say in protecting the employee - a committee within the employees that looks after the rights of employees (can be affiliated to a union, if the company recognises unions). The members of the committee have special protection against sacking, so they cannot be kicked out if they disagree with the directors of the company, for example.


I've never heard of zero hour contracts here in Germany.


Again, this seems to be a British phenomenon, I certainly haven't seen it in Germany - although the 450€ jobs would probably come the closest, but they are generally considered as 2nd jobs, although in most instances the employers seem to be urging the employees to get as close to the 450€ limit as they can... It is often hard to keep your hours down - our daughter worked at a supermarket first, there they were pushing her to work more hours than she wanted, when she switched to the nursing job, she made it clear from the beginning that she was studying and when she needed to do uni work or prepare for an exam, she wouldn't be available to work.

Luckily qualified nurses taking jobs in home care are likes hen's teeth, so she was able to get away with only working the hours she wants.

the problem with the UK Govt. and businesses is that they have opted out of so much EU law (employment mainly) that it has become a total waste of time being a member of the EU
the only way forward is to leave ...

You're going to need to explain your logic more in detail because I cannot make sense of that statement


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the opt outs used by the UK across the board means in essence that we disregard EU law in regard to employment and other areas but still trade freely with the EU
leaving the EU would still enable free trade but bring back British employment law which businesses would have no opt out on, very simply really ...

Except of course so much of various governments tinkering with UK employment law to comply or frustrate EU rules means that the [LIFTED] situation we're in is the effective status quo. Yes, a UK government unencumbered by EU interference would be free to rewrite UK law to remove or add various things as they see fit but I think, as an apparently committed trade unionist its perhaps worth bearing in mind the side of the political fence UKIP sits and how likely it is that employment law would be rewritten in any way shape or form that would be of actual benefit to employees.

Nope, I'm out. I cannot begin to describe just how [LIFTED] stupid that post is.

i am not concerned which side of the fence UKIP resides on, its a means to an end

as of employment law, we could very well incorporate EU employment law within British employment law
but first we require British employment law and the only way that can happen is leaving the EU
there is no other way around it ...

this has already been put in place and enacted its called the HRA within British law (but our supreme court should have the final judgement)
but under British employment law only our systems (tribunals and courts) have the final judgement
no redress to any EU court ...

as you wish ...

No, someone of such little brain function doesn't get to quote The Princess Bride.