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Apple Encryption Engineers, if Ordered to Unlock iPhone, Might Resist

If the F.B.I. wins its court fight to force Apple’s help in unlocking an iPhone, the agency may run into yet another roadblock: Apple’s engineers.

Apple employees are already discussing what they will do if ordered to help law enforcement authorities. Some say they may balk at the work, while others may even quit their high-paying jobs rather than undermine the security of the software they have already created, according to more than a half-dozen current and former Apple employees.
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“If someone attempts to force them to work on something that’s outside their personal values, they can expect to find a position that’s a better fit somewhere else,” said Window Snyder, the chief security officer at the start-up Fastly and a former senior product manager in Apple’s security and privacy division.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/techn ... .html?_r=1


25 years in prison if you do not comply.

If you have resigned and are working elsewhere? The responsibility with this is the legal entity that is Apple, not the individuals concerned.

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make the system so it can only to be accessed by the individual none other. not even the makers of the phone or system ...

Tim Cook has made it clear that this is the intention.

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If you have resigned and are working elsewhere? The responsibility with this is the legal entity that is Apple, not the individuals concerned.

Legally speaking, if they can come up with a mad enough justification that they could actually enforce it upon a company to do it, the same justification could be applied equally to an individual.


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If you have resigned and are working elsewhere? The responsibility with this is the legal entity that is Apple, not the individuals concerned.

Legally speaking, if they can come up with a mad enough justification that they could actually enforce it upon a company to do it, the same justification could be applied equally to an individual.


I guess so, but I read that the legal measures being used against Apple could equally be used to make Boeing build a new class of 747. I wonder how far the FBI would be willing to go to ensure that Apple complies, and that Apple ensures that employees that are able to make it work to comply.

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If you have resigned and are working elsewhere? The responsibility with this is the legal entity that is Apple, not the individuals concerned.

Legally speaking, if they can come up with a mad enough justification that they could actually enforce it upon a company to do it, the same justification could be applied equally to an individual.

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Seems that they have the capability to unlock the phone without Apple's help.
Israel's Cellebrite linked to FBI's iPhone hack attempt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35883441

It would be interesting to know how they a anger this. Either there is a flaw they can exploit, or something more exotic.

I rather like the low-tech idea. The notion that choosing a random PIN is impossible, and that there is a a frequency table of probable numbers. Add to that the pattern of smudges on the screen caused by the number being entered repeatedly, could mean that it would take fewer than 10 guesses.

Question is, can Apple work out how the phone has been cracked and can they prevent it?

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My question is this... What proof do we have that they actually unlocked the phone? Or even have the possibility of unlocking it?

Seems to me like it's all a facade to try and set a precedent.

If they had continued in court and were eventually denied then they can't really try again. But they didn't continue. They pulled out before it went far enough.

That means they can try again at some point in the future.

I very much doubt they have unlocked that phone. I doubt they even wanted to unlock it in the first place.


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The process described by UCLA technology fellow Daniel Kahn Gillmor uses a technique called NAND mirroring to copy the portion of the phone's memory that counts the number of passcode attempts entered. By continually restoring the copy, the FBI could thereby circumvent the limit on the number of passcode guesses that can be made before the device is rendered permanently inaccessible.

Another, more risky – not to mention laborious – method is an invasive microchip attack known as "de-capping". This involves removing and de-capsulating the phone's memory chip, carefully drilling down into it using a focused ion beam to expose the portion of the chip containing the target data (in this case, the iPhone's unique ID and passkey algorithm) and then probing it, micron by micron, to extract the information.

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/23/fbi ... ck-iphone/

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For Pete's sake. It's well accepted in the intelligence community that the value of any intelligence degrades rapidly after 72 hours. If there actually was any useful information on the phone, by now it's almost certainly utterly useless- People will have changed identity or fled, any supplies or resources will have been moved etc.

Given it now appears pretty likely the FBI has failed it it's bid to get Apple to crack iOS security for them, all that's left now is face-saving and not a lot of that either.


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Apparently, there has been some success for the FBI. They have dropped the court order.

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The US Department of Justice has cracked the iPhone of one of the San Bernardino shooters without Apple's help -- and has abandoned its attempt through the courts to force the company to assist.

Prosecutors withdrawing (PDF) the court motion for Apple to help crack shooter Syed Farook's iPhone 5C said: "The government has now successfully accessed the data stored on Farook’s iPhone and therefore no longer requires the assistance from Apple Inc".

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... er-dropped

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It was never about getting into that specific phone, it was about setting the precedent and if anything they've actually encouraged more aggressive security features from manufacturers so it's kind of backfired.

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As Apple questions FBI's hacking methods, list of unlock cases grow | TechRadar
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and ... ow-1318120

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San Bernardino iPhone hack won’t work on newer models, says FBI | Technology | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ames-comey

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Here we go again: US government wants to force Apple to unlock another iPhone | TechRadar
http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of- ... ne-1318630

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US authorities drop another iPhone fight after being given passcode | Technology | The Guardian
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