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Personally, at times I think that the only time a pedestrian has any recourse to action is when they are hit on a pedestrian crossing when conditions allow (ie the green man is showing, etc).. At all other times, it’s live with the consequences of your actions.

I think a better solution would be not to have some blanket ludicrous rule that almost inevitably doesn't apply in a large portion of circumstances. How about we all take an appropriate amount of responsibility - drivers don't speed and maintain good situational awareness (i.e. get the hell off your mobile), pedestrians use designated crossing or follow the green cross code and etc when none are available. If that were true, any accident would literally be that and the idea of somebody being 'responsible' would be moot.

Two groups of people campaigning for the other group to be legally held liable for the misdemeanours of both doesn't make for a better world. I recall a phrase that starts 'an eye for an eye makes...'

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As a pedestrian and a driver, there are situations where it is difficult to have clear rules.

One solution, here, is to make fully residential streets children's play areas, that means a big blue shield at the entrance to a street, with a picture of houses, a street and children playing ball in the street. That means that the maximum speed allowed is walking pace. The streets usually have steep speed bumps, are bricks/stones or other non-tarmac surface or are designed so that the driver has to zig-zag a lot, so they can't drive at speed. It works generally, but you still get idiots who tear through them.

Car parks, again. Here the StVo is also in force, which means traffic from the right has priority. Again, walking pace is the fastest you are allowed to drive (although 10km/h is generally accepted).

Where there is a pavement, pedestrians aren't allowed on the road, apart from at designated crossing points. If they step out in front of a car, they are at fault, unless they are at a designated crossing. Does that mean that drivers can ignore them? No. They also have to take due care and attention and in many areas of heavy bicycle and pedestrian traffic, speeds are squashed. a 50km/h (30mph) are will be dropped to 30km/h, a 70 to 50 and 100 to 70.

Pedestrians need to take responsibility for their actions - stepping onto the cycle path and getting hit by a bicycle is their fault as well - but drivers still have to be aware of their surroundings and be prepared for pedestrian stupidity, even if they aren't going to be given the blame (for a start, most pedestrians won't be able to pay for the repairs to the car!).

Back on topic, I think one reason Apple got away with it, is that the earphones fall out every 10 seconds or so! :evil: I left my Senheiser ones at work and had to use the ones supplied with my iPhone. Apple spend a fortune on design and styling, why do they ship such cheap/crap headphones with their iPods? Talk about the proverbial ruin the ship for haporth of tar... :?

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Back on topic,


ooops sorry about that I did sort of take it off topic a little bit. :oops:

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3 - Stepping out with a push chair in front of them. “I have children - get out of my way” kind of moment. People actually using their new born infants as a kind of traffic pacifier.


I've had someone do that, and she wasn't even looking before she did it. It was only by luck that I could swerve to avoid her and not hit any vehicles around me.

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Personally, at times I think that the only time a pedestrian has any recourse to action is when they are hit on a pedestrian crossing when conditions allow (ie the green man is showing, etc).. At all other times, it’s live with the consequences of your actions.


If a car leaves a road and enters a side road, then any pedestrian crossing that side road has right of way over the car. Now as a pedestrian I've used this many a time for the lulz, and as a driver many times as a courtesy with the ensuing lulz.

As a pedestrian I would never cross if the driver is already indicating or is driving like a tool, I recognise their intentions and value my life respectively.
As a driver I often to do this as a means of annoying the person behind, such as if they are tailgating, got fog lights on without fog, mobile phone, etc.

I'm no road warrior, I just get a nice warm feeling inside from making people realise they aren't the centre of the universe.

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If a car leaves a road and enters a side road, then any pedestrian crossing that side road has right of way over the car. Now as a pedestrian I've used this many a time for the lulz, and as a driver many times as a courtesy with the ensuing lulz.


This is the offical line:
The Highway Code wrote:
8 At a junction. When crossing the road, look out for traffic turning into the road, especially from behind you. If you have started crossing and traffic wants to turn into the road, you have priority and they should give way.


http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTr ... /DG_070108

I dug my copy out the other day to check the rules for pedestrians. Some of them, Rule 18 on the use of crossings, for example, make it quite clear who has the right of way. It would be nice if Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5) were enforced at a certain Zebra crossing in Bexley around school chucking-out time. :)

We're still a bit off topic, aren't we? :lol:

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