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jonbwfc
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Especially given a government can do massively more damage to the country and economy than any strike in history has ever done...
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pcernie
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Ukip founder Alan Sked: 'The party has become a Frankenstein's monster' http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ns-monster_________________Plain English advice on everything money, purchase and service related:
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paulzolo
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Here is your UKIP Total Perspective Vortex.  Click for large view - Uploaded with SkitchI ran this up last night - it’s quick and dirty, and uses data from the BBC’s web site. I feel vindicated because Ken Clarke pretty much said the same thing this chart says - 10% of the electorate voted for UKIP, and the people we should be worrying about is the 66% who didn’t vote. They are the problem - why they are not ganging is really down to a number of reasons, but the headache is that there is a general election next year (or sooner if Clegg bails/is pushed), and that missing sector of society needs to be persuaded that voting is important and necessary.
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MrStevenRogers
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i am now looking forward to next years elections, it should prove interesting ...
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jonbwfc
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Certainly. I'd expect the turnout at a general election to be significantly higher - we get roughly 60% or so generally I think ?- but the fact is we are moving from our previous pretty much two party system to a much more fragmented model. I'd expect both UKIP and the Greens to some seats and maybe a few more independents as well, along with the lib dems to lose a bunch which means they'd lose their 'kingmaker' aspect. We could see maybe 30-40 seats held by a range of small parties, which would be enough to swing a majority in many UK elections. It's possible we're going to end up with the kind of trading and coalition building you see a lot of in PR based parliaments.
That is assuming the UKIP vote actually isn't just a protest vote, and all the people who voted for them don't revert back to their previous allegiance. Which I'm sure the main parties are hoping for.
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l3v1ck
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I guess it all depends on whether Milliband keeps shooting himself in the foot with policies from the 70's. If he stops doing that, Labour could just win, if enough people swing from the Tories to UKIP. Having said that people don't tend to protest vote at general elections, plus the Tories are offering potential UKIP voters an in/out referendum anyway, so they could just snatch it.
Either way the Lib Dems are going down hard.
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MrStevenRogers
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i believe with current events that the turn out will be greater
the disenfranchised will get up and vote and not for the main parties
as they have seen the damage that can be done
a (political) war has started ...
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pcernie
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My take on it is, apart from the vast majority who didn't vote which almost says it all, that so many were determined to let the government know exactly how they felt with a protest vote at both council and European level. I mean, Christ, even Nigel looked gobsmacked.
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MrStevenRogers
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i believe after the last result (local and EU) for UKIP
may prompt those who do not vote to think there is hope
(that their vote can count)
relate that to a general election, next year
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l3v1ck
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So we could have a Tory/UKIP coalition then? It would take a massive swing as UKIP don't have any MP's at all. Labour has already said they wouldn't share power with the Lib Dems. We could end up with a minority government.
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MrStevenRogers
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a massive swing has already happened
a possible coalition of con/dem/ukip
they will not have a choice in the matter ...
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l3v1ck
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Yeah but swings happen a lot more in EU and local elections. I'd be really surprised if UKIP got into double figures for MP's at the next election. Really surprised.
I'm expecting votes for the main parties to be down, but not by enough for others to win seats in most locations.
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paulzolo
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The MEPs returned are calculated using a form of Proportional Representaion. The UK elections use First Past the Post, which will yield significantly different results. It's ikely that UKIP will fare worse as a result.
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ProfessorF
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paulzolo
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You have to wonder what a “fair and thorough” investigation in UKIP involves. 
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