Smoke clings to you and makes you smell. Smoke is a potential health hazard. The others are not.

and while I'm at it....


2nd hand smoke. Its not just a bad smell, its potentially harmful. And not just to the asthma sufferers.


You are right it is my choice. Life isnt that simple though is it. Am I really to suggest my parents never see their granddaughter becasue they smoke? Its not that simple is it.


Again, I dont suffer from Asthma but its about more than that. Smell. Health hazards.


Actually I wont tolerate an activity which directly affects me in a negative way without my consent

There are no benefits to smoking (for the person, Im not talking revenue for governments, etc). It does nothing good for you. In fact its one product when if taken 'properly' I will more than likely harm you / kill you. And its delibertely addictive.

Argue all you want. I will never change my mind on smoking, its effects and where and when it should be allowed. I cant stand it.

I don't like the smell of smoke in a room or on clothes. I therefore smoke outdoors only, and know of many others who do the same. Perhaps your parents could do likewise.

They do if the baby is there but otherwise they smoke in the house. Which of course they should be able to do. Its their house after all and their choice. Its just horrible taking a 1month old baby home stinking of the stuff. Its a shame it really is. I'm not going to stop the grandparents seeing the baby but I feel sorry for the little un.

We agree to disagree then, the odd breath of smoke for you or your family, when outside, isn't going to do you any more harm than the odd whiff of car exhaust will. Life is about choices and is never simple, hence the use of the word "tolerance" you make your choices and that's all you can do, bashing other people for their choices isn't very fair when you don't live their life.

There are some benefits to smoking, in some people the act of controlling their breathing with a cigarette can stave off panic attacks, for some people it's social, and for some people they just like doing it. The harm or otherwise is comparable to people who take part in dangerous sports and trying to invalidate the things people choose to do for the benefit of their lives by arguing that there are no benefits, especially from the point of view of a non-smoker is a bit cheeky.

I just hope you have no habits which impact other people, rustling bags in the cinema, sniffing or hacking all over people when you have a cold etc etc. Those things are far more annoying (tm) than the odd smell of smoke which I can actually do something about.

Good breathing techniques can be easily achieved without the use of cigarettes. The false beliefs about smoking are what makes it so difficult to quit, much more so than any phyiscal withdrawal. People smoke to relax, and you'll find that the same people also smoke to help them concentrate . How can one one drug have two completely opposite effects?

I didnt bash anyone did I? I dont recall calling anyone for smoking. I simply said I dont agree and/or like it. I'll have a read back through my posts but I dont think I 'bashed' anyone.


You can control breathing without the fag to stave off panic attacks. Smoking replicates exactly what you should do when you have a panic attack right? Fair enough but you can deep breathe without the fag. And by the way did you know that they say smokers are 3 times more likely to suffer from panic attacks.


Rustling a bag in a cimema does not have potential health implications for the others around me ffs!

Better not go outside if there is any diesal powered motor transport then, or eat barbecued food (all those B(a)P and nitrosamines), crisp/chips or anything fried (acrylamide)..

Its all about risk management. The occasional exposure to a whiff of cig smoke is not going to cause harm (the exception maybe if its a trigger for asthma sufferers). The smell may be unpleasent but its the consequence of kicking smokers from being inside.

from wiki, other sources are around but they are way oo complex

When I smoke it relaxes me, but is that the smoke doing that? Of course not, it's the faff of cleaning a pipe, filling it with tobacco, padding it down, lighting it, adding more tobacco, padding it down, lighting it, light it again, and again, and again....
When I sit and smoke (say on top of a big hill), it feels relaxing, in a similar way that drinking a bottle of icy beer in the summer is so refreshing. Can I sit and relax without smoking? Yes. Why do I do it then? Because it's nice, like eating chocolate with tea or drinking in the summer sun. I'm not saying that tobacco is as harmless as chocolate, but none of it is good for me...
Smoking isn't addictive, with my terribly week will power, I can and have gone months without smoking, just like drinking alcohol isn't addictive as I've done the same with that.

You are right its not. But nicotene is.

I've been in a meeting so I'll summarise:

- In the same way that alcohol and pot can have different effects on different people, smoking can do the same, it's all about the biodiversity of people.
- Yes there are other ways to control panic breathing, but smokers tend to use cigarettes because they know it works, and fast, therefore it is a potential benefit. I find smoking a water pipe beneficial because it forces me to control my breathing and therefore it calms me down and relaxes me, yes there are other methods I could use, but they mostly involve silence and alone-ness and I don't always want to seperate myself from other people to allow me to concentrate. Staving off panic attacks, or even sorting them once you're in them is not just about "deep breathing" and no, many people control their panic attacks by smoking, it doesn't make them worse in those people because it triggers the part of the brain that is producing the adrenaline to calm down, most panic attacks are creatins of the sympatheic nervous system, so smoking sends signals to the brain that everything is fine and can reduce an attack by over 15 minutes. I know doctors and medical practitioners recommend that people don't smoke with panic attacks, but I also know that people do and it helps them.
- There are people who like smoking, they like the effect it has on them, and in the same way that some people like jumping out of planes with bits of silk strapped to their back, they know it can kill them, but they like how it feels.
- Bag rustling in the cinema won't affect other peoples health, unless their irritation with you causes them a stroke, but it's an annoying habit which does adversely affect others, the occasional bit of smoke won't hurt them either.

All I'm really saying is that anti-smoking legislation has already driven all the smokers out of public buildings, to huddle in bus shelters in all weather just because they want to continue to exercise their rights to smoke, they have gone along with this law to give non-smokers the freedom to go into whatever building they choose and be assured that they won't be subjected to smoke in an enclosed environment, isn't that enough curtailment of their freedoms? A bit of tolerance and a willingness to be unselfish on the part of the rest of the population (who no doubt have their own habits that the rest of the population would find disgusting) is all it takes.

People are so insular nowadays, so selfish, it's all about them, nobody cares about their neighbour, people won't stop to help in the street, and people don't seem to believe that anyone who believes differently, or has different values or lifestyle choices to theirs has the right to mix in "their" society. I say that's cr@p and the intolerance should be stamped out, not the things that make the human race so diverse and interesting.

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That was not a summary.

I haven't read the entire thread but I tend to agree with the points Veato is making.

Halving the number of smokers is always a good thing but I don't think it's very likely.

omg. lol.