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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:49 am ]
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http://www.independent.ie/business/euro ... 04987.html

Quote:
MANCHESTER United's owners begin paying 16.25pc interest this week on a loan they took out to refinance their purchase of the 18-times English soccer champions, company filings show.

US billionaire Malcolm Glazer will pay the rate on more than £200m (€243m) of payment-in-kind notes that are due in 2017.

PIK loans are typically used to hold down cash expenses in leveraged buyouts because they carry coupons that accumulate and are paid on maturity or when the debt is redeemed.

"PIKs make sense at certain times but given the rate that interest accumulates, they quickly wipe out equity," said Jonathan Moore, an analyst at Evolution Securities in London.

He added: "You'd expect owners to take them out as soon as they're able to."

I do not think that it will be long before Man U are up for sale.

Author:  petermillard [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:49 am ]
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Yes, but probably at an absurd asking price, given the level of debt the club has - just take a look at what's happening at Liverpool. Has to be said that the impact of foreign (particularly American) ownership on English clubs has been nothing short of disastrous and some kind of governing-body intervention is long overdue - I just don't see it happening anytime soon, sadly.

Pete

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:56 am ]
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MU will end up in administration ...

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:11 am ]
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petermillard wrote:
Yes, but probably at an absurd asking price, given the level of debt the club has - just take a look at what's happening at Liverpool. Has to be said that the impact of foreign (particularly American) ownership on English clubs has been nothing short of disastrous and some kind of governing-body intervention is long overdue - I just don't see it happening anytime soon, sadly.

Pete

Which they will not get. everyone will know that they are in trouble and will hold out for them to get desperate. Which they will. So I do expect them to go into administration. What is needed are tough rules that will restrict the levels of debt and even the ratio of players salaries to total income. That will at least mean that the club can afford them. Contracts must include a relegation penalty on players, that will tie them to the club and make it easier for clubs to cope with relegation.

Author:  pcernie [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:23 pm ]
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Anyone know someone from the East or somewhere who needs their money laundered? :oops:

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:15 pm ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
MU will end up in administration ...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:17 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
MU will end up in administration ...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If they do they'll get docked 10 points. Which probably means they'll finish third...

The thing is, Manchester United PLC actually a profitable business in isolation. Their outgoings are less than they're incomings, if you take away the enormous payments the buyout lumbered it with. Quite how the Glazers ever thought this would end well is beyond me, because while they may state value of the business is £1.2billion or whatever, everyone with two braincells to rub together knows eventually the banks are going to step in and that means the sale price will drop to a much more reasonable level.

Jon

Author:  veato [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:21 am ]
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I watched a documentary about the Glazers. Now I'm not saying it was all true because the TV said so but even it was a half truth it's worrying.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:33 am ]
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veato wrote:
I watched a documentary about the Glazers. Now I'm not saying it was all true because the TV said so but even it was a half truth it's worrying.

They have used Manchester United as a way of funding many of their other enterprises. Not a bad strategy when things are good, but they are highly leveraged and basically their empire is a house of cards waiting for a gust of wind.

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