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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-nort ... s-11166119

Quote:
Villagers have been told it would cost them £550,000 to be provided with a broadband internet connection.

British Telecom's estimate included installing the infrastructure necessary to provide the broadband link for 80 households in Erbistock, near Wrexham.

But the residents have since been given a £50,000 estimate by another firm, Rutland Telecom, and they hope to be online by October.

BT said it was actively investigating alternative solutions for the village.

It looks like BT was profiteering. It should lose the local loop.

Author:  JJW009 [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

Amnesia10 wrote:
It looks like BT was profiteering.

It's more likely that Rutland have quoted the installation at a large loss, hoping to recoup the costs via line rental over the next few years. I expect if you look at the contract it will be for a minimum term of several years.

We do the same thing, because the excess charges involved in laying miles of cable are usually too much to swallow in one go.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
It looks like BT was profiteering.

It's more likely that Rutland have quoted the installation at a large loss, hoping to recoup the costs via line rental over the next few years. I expect if you look at the contract it will be for a minimum term of several years.

We do the same thing, because the excess charges involved in laying miles of cable are usually too much to swallow in one go.

It does depend if they can actually retain the customer for the period to recover those costs. Though the difference is so large that they could never hope to recover the extra £450 000 over say ten years. So the charge of BT over charging still stands.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
It looks like BT was profiteering.

It's more likely that Rutland have quoted the installation at a large loss, hoping to recoup the costs via line rental over the next few years. I expect if you look at the contract it will be for a minimum term of several years.

And BT couldn't do this because...?

Given the difference in question is HALF A MILLION POUNDS I think

a) Rutland telecom have an unusually long term view of profit earnings for a private company.
b) BT were doing the old 'we can't be arsed to do this so quote them a ludicrous price and they'll go away' trick.

Me, I'm thinking b). And, as usual, BT end up with egg on it's face.

Jon

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

jonbwfc wrote:
b) BT were doing the old 'we can't be arsed to do this so quote them a ludicrous price and they'll go away' trick.

Me, I'm thinking b). And, as usual, BT end up with egg on it's face.

Jon

So what about the universal service obligation? No matter how you look at it, BT are plonkers.

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

Amnesia10 wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
b) BT were doing the old 'we can't be arsed to do this so quote them a ludicrous price and they'll go away' trick.

Me, I'm thinking b). And, as usual, BT end up with egg on it's face.

Jon

So what about the universal service obligation? No matter how you look at it, BT are plonkers.

it seems they are only obliged to provide narrowband access and not broad band.

Quote:
1.10 BT and Kingston are required to provide a connection upon reasonable request and at uniform prices, irrespective of geographical location. This requirement is particularly valuable to customers in remote rural areas whom the market might otherwise not serve. Where installation of a new line costs £3400 or less, BT sets a standard charge. Where installation will cost over £3400, BT requires the customer to pay the excess costs (plus its standard connection charge)


The obligation on BT and Kingston to provide a connection upon reasonable request encompasses the provision of a narrowband connection capable of ‘functional internet access’ (FIA). Guidelines on FIA were issued in 2003 which said that users should be able to expect connection speeds of at least 28.8 kbit/s. It also set out measures that universal service providers should take in response to complaints about data speeds. The Guidelines have been beneficial and no significant changes are proposed at this time. In particular, it is considered that the benchmark minimum speed should remain at 28.8 kbit/s for the time being.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

Yes but they can still sell it as up to 8 Mbits when you may only get 28.8kbits. :shock:

Author:  Linux_User [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

As previously stated there is no USO (Universal Service Obligation) with regard to broadband internet access. It's something the European Commission is looking into, but it will most likely be several years before any such proposal comes into force.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

Linux_User wrote:
As previously stated there is no USO (Universal Service Obligation) with regard to broadband internet access. It's something the European Commission is looking into, but it will most likely be several years before any such proposal comes into force.

With a right wing government in power it will never happen.

Author:  Linux_User [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

Amnesia10 wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
As previously stated there is no USO (Universal Service Obligation) with regard to broadband internet access. It's something the European Commission is looking into, but it will most likely be several years before any such proposal comes into force.

With a right wing government in power it will never happen.


What? It's happening at a European level, not at Westminster.

Author:  big_D [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
It looks like BT was profiteering.

It's more likely that Rutland have quoted the installation at a large loss, hoping to recoup the costs via line rental over the next few years. I expect if you look at the contract it will be for a minimum term of several years.

We do the same thing, because the excess charges involved in laying miles of cable are usually too much to swallow in one go.

Which is what BT should be doing... The village won't be going anywhere, so they can recoup their investment over 10 or 20 years. The only thorn in this plan is the bloody stock exchange and share holders, who want money the next quarter and aren't interested in the long-term health of the company. :?

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

Two points. BT were profiteering. Making a profit is not a bad thing, but ripping off a community is bordering on criminal or should be.

Second what is the point of underpricing installation to get a contract. They could have used Rutland to install it and then after the initial tie in contract switched thereby eliminating any returns for the installer. There is no twenty year return any longer, not with the option to switch to new providers.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

Meh. ~65% of the world's population doesn't have a phone line.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

BT drop £550,000 village broadband quote to £100

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11287904

Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Erbistock villagers quoted £550,000 for broadband link

Amnesia10 wrote:
BT drop £550,000 village broadband quote to £100

:lol: It's amazing what a few week's worth of technological advancement can do isn't it.
Actually, if I was them, I'd tell BT to shove it.

Jon

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