x404.co.uk
http://www.x404.co.uk/forum/

Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
http://www.x404.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=10772		 Page 1 of 2
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:10 am ]
Post subject:  Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
An interesting piece. I get the feeling that the media are going to pressure him into doing so.

Quote:
The new Labour leader was even offered the opportunity to propose to Ms Thornton live on ITV's Daybreak programme, but declined.

"I think it's better to do it in person, really," he said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11433642
Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
Wise man. Ex French national football team manager Raymond Domenech decided to propose to his girlfriend on the spur on national TV, she wasn't very impressed.

Jon
Author:  mikepgood [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
He's 41. Only been an MP since 2005. Previously student, Journo, researcher and speechwriter, Uni lecturer in USA.

Not casting aspertions, but how exactly did politics get in the way?

Worked as intern for Tony Benn, so can't be all bad as politicians go. Also claimed very little as expenses.
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
mikepgood wrote:
He's 41. Only been an MP since 2005. Previously student, Journo, researcher and speechwriter, Uni lecturer in USA.


Good - he has some life experience then.

mikepgood wrote:
Not casting aspertions, but how exactly did politics get in the way?


I don’t think it’s high on his list of things to do.

Quote:
Asked whether he felt being married would be important if he were to become prime minister, he said: "I think people are pretty relaxed about this.

"I don't think people care one way or the other about what other people do in their lives as long as they show responsibility to each other."


The Red Tops will no doubt be pushing this one though.
Author:  HeatherKay [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
paulzolo wrote:
Good - he has some life experience then.


In what? Learning how to be a good politician in the Westminster Village?

He'll be just as bad as the rest of them. He's not got the presence of Blair, and sounds like he needs to give his nose a good blow.

Still, he can't do any worse than any of the others, so let's see how it pans out.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
My first impressions are good. I did not feel that way about Tony.
Author:  mikepgood [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
Heard him on the radio yesterday. Seemed to be imitating TB's speech style, but in an almost satirical way, like Jon Coulshaw(??spelling) impressions
Author:  pcernie [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
David Miliband says he won't join brother Ed's team

Quote:
David Miliband has announced he needs to "recharge his batteries" away from frontline politics and will not serve in his brother Ed's shadow cabinet.


Vid here too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11432762

Hope he buggers off for good :twisted:
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
Apparently David's wife is feeling seriously put out. I suspect she is vicariously living through her husband. She know realises that Number 10 will never be on her "We lived here" list. To be honest the right wing of Labour need to go away. I am not suggesting a return to the left but dropping the Neoclassical economist game plan which has failed everywhere.
Author:  davrosG5 [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
I couldn't care less whether he is cohabiting/married/gay/straight/purple. If they want to get married then that's their decision.
Quite why people think being married will make a better politician is beyond me, especially in present times. It's like some sort of bizarre box tick they have to have for public life.
Author:  HeatherKay [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
davrosG5 wrote:
It's like some sort of bizarre box tick they have to have for public life.


It's the self-appointed guardians of morality, the Dailies Fail and Excess. Honestly, I think the majority of right-thinking people out here in the real world don't give a stuff about Milliband Minor's private life.

Interesting reads:
http://www.butireaditinthepaper.co.uk/2 ... t-married/
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/hollycruise/ ... te_sprogs/
Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
Poor old Ed. I feel sorry for him already. He’ll be hounded by the press to get married, and when, as part of his official duties, he finds himself in a church with the PM and Deputy PM (maybe at some remembrance ceremony), they will be looking at him to see how his atheist leanings cause him to behave, and leap on him as a hypocrite (look - he’s praying, look he’s singing, look - he’s in a chruch....). Of course, they won’t do the same for the other godless heathen - Nick Clegg.
Author:  rustybucket [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
paulzolo wrote:
Poor old Ed. I feel sorry for him already.

I agree.

  1. If he doesn't get married, he'll be (inexplicably) somehow less electable and the moralising right, the right-wing media and the christian conservative evangelicals will turn into howler monkeys.
  2. If he does get married against any beliefs he holds, he will be rightly seen as a hypocrite by the secularists and religious liberals.
  3. If he really did want to get married but just didn't get chance, he'll merely be accused by both sides of trying to cover up number 2
  4. If he tries to make no decision or keep it private, both sides will hound him relentlessly until they get a reaction

To be honest he can't win any way up and he should just do what he wants to do.

The rules for Christians are just that and only that. I do not expect a Buddhist to abide by Christian guidelines any more than I would expect British women to have to wear a burq'ua. The law should be absolutely agnostic and anyone, Christian, Moslem, Pagan or Atheist, who seeks to impose their beliefs on someone else deserves a chuffing slap.

Do you want to get legally joined to another person in the name of love? Good. I'll bring the Hobnobs
Do you want to commit privately to another without ceremony in the name of love? Good. I'll send the Hobnobs.

It's nobody else's bl**dy business and if he told them all to foxtrot oscar I'd support him all the way.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
paulzolo wrote:
Poor old Ed. I feel sorry for him already. He’ll be hounded by the press to get married, and when, as part of his official duties, he finds himself in a church with the PM and Deputy PM (maybe at some remembrance ceremony), they will be looking at him to see how his atheist leanings cause him to behave, and leap on him as a hypocrite (look - he’s praying, look he’s singing, look - he’s in a chruch....). Of course, they won’t do the same for the other godless heathen - Nick Clegg.

Why should he be a hypocrite? If she wants a church wedding then even if he were an atheist and simply went along because it was her wishes how does that make him a hypocrite?
Author:  rustybucket [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
Amnesia10 wrote:
Why should he be a hypocrite? If she wants a church wedding then even if he were an atheist and simply went along because it was her wishes how does that make him a hypocrite?

Because in a church wedding, particularly a CofE one, both bride and groom make vows that explicitly require a belief in God.

From the Church of England website:
Quote:
You will be asked to promise before God, your friends and your families, that you will love, comfort, honour and protect your partner and be faithful to them as long as you both shall live.

With my body I honour you,
all that I am I give to you,
and all that I have I share with you,
within the love of God,
Father, Son and Holy Spirit.'


You cannot promise anything "before" and "within the love of" a being you don't believe in.
Page 1 of 2 All times are UTC
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
https://www.phpbb.com/