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Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:28 pm ] | |||||||||
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11462986
It will be interesting to see what they do with housing benefits. If they have the same rate nationally they will make the situation worse in the south where housing benefits have been high because of the bubble. |
Author: | paulzolo [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:58 pm ] |
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The Tories are only interested in you if you can afford to run a Bentley. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:41 pm ] | |||||||||
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The problem is that with the nature of the economy now, even middle class voters will fall into the benefits system and discover that they immediately fall into poverty as a result of the cut backs. |
Author: | belchingmatt [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:19 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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How many people in poverty still have pay TV, 2nd cars, holidays etc? |
Author: | paulzolo [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:37 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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It's 1986 all over again. Let me tell you that the kiddie classes are less able to cope with than you think. In the 1980s it was pretty tough for them - I think this ti e it will be tougher as there has been a long period of relative affluence. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:37 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I do not know anyone on benefits who has a second car. Pay TV even if you pay just £10 a month is only £120 a year and if you are at home all day the TV does give good value. Though a holiday can be cheap if done last minute and on standby. Also it does not have to be done at peak season if you do not have kids. |
Author: | adidan [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:11 am ] | |||||||||
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Child benefit? I would imagine many may have a 2nd car. |
Author: | l3v1ck [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:12 am ] |
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As much as I don't like the idea of losing out on £20 a week. It does seem like a fair way of cutting costs. |
Author: | adidan [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:59 am ] | |||||||||
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The Child Benefit? Yup, I agree, although there may be issues. Say, for example, there's a couple, one earns £45k and the other is earning say £10k, total income £55k. They would lose child beneift whereas a couple bringing in two wages of £35k (£70k total), would still get it. That doesn't really make sense. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:05 am ] | |||||||||
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They could cap it at two children. Though means testing it could mean that they actually pay slightly more. The same could be said for the free pensioner TV licences. Though even fairer and cheaper is to incorporate the costs of the BBC and public service radio and TV into general taxation and reduce everyones allowances to pay for it. |
Author: | didgeman [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:14 am ] |
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A couple can jointly be earning 88K a year and still claiming if both earn 44K. However if one earns 45K and the other nothing, you will lose the benefit. With 2 kids thats £1752 a year - which is a hell of a lot if you are on 45k. (About 3000 before tax) - so 6.6% income cut! TBH I can understand the need to cut this benefit but it should be fair .. and the fairest option isn't necessarily the easiest. Didge. |
Author: | hifidelity2 [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:28 am ] |
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Personally I think ALL benefits should be means tested |
Author: | bobbdobbs [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:36 am ] | |||||||||
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+1 |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:01 am ] |
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We're onto the 'if you can't afford kids, don't have them' argument again, aren't we... Jon |
Author: | bobbdobbs [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:11 am ] | |||||||||
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No, I think were on the "benefits should be there as a safety net to ensure a minimum standard of living" argument and those earning by any measure a good salary should not be in receipt of benefits. |
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