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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:26 am ]
Post subject:  The upper limit on tuition fees 'should be scrapped'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11510466

Quote:
Universities in England should have no upper limit on tuition fees, Lord Browne's review is set to recommend.

But government support will only be guaranteed up to a maximum of £7,000 per year - which is likely to make this the upper fee for most degree courses.

This would mean more than doubling the current tuition fee of £3,290.

The National Union of Students said students and their families would treat such plans for higher fees with "contempt".

This is not going to help student numbers.
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:51 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
This is not going to help student numbers.


It might increase the "value" of degrees in the workplace though.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:31 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
This is not going to help student numbers.

It's not as if student numbers are actually something we have to worry about. In fact, they're largely the problem.
Author:  JohnSheridan [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:46 am ]
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Yes this will cut student numbers but won't this mean only the rich will be able to afford university?
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The upper limit on tuition fees 'should be scrapped'
JohnSheridan wrote:
Yes this will cut student numbers but won't this mean only the rich will be able to afford university?

That or foreign students. There were too many going to university any way and they were not up to the standards of the past. It is better that fewer go, but it should be down to merit and so free tuition for those who are truly gifted and qualify for means tested grants.
Author:  forquare1 [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:20 pm ]
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JohnSheridan wrote:
Yes this will cut student numbers but won't this mean only the rich will be able to afford university?


The rich and the poor (they'll get benefits and other help). People in the middle will be [LIFTED]...
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:28 am ]
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forquare1 wrote:
JohnSheridan wrote:
Yes this will cut student numbers but won't this mean only the rich will be able to afford university?


The rich and the poor (they'll get benefits and other help). People in the middle will be [LIFTED]...

Yes but a system of free education and means tested maintenance grants will benefit the middle classes as well. High tuition fees only allows the wealthier middle classes to go to university.
Author:  dogbert10 [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:46 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
forquare1 wrote:
JohnSheridan wrote:
Yes this will cut student numbers but won't this mean only the rich will be able to afford university?


The rich and the poor (they'll get benefits and other help). People in the middle will be [LIFTED]...

Yes but a system of free education and means tested maintenance grants will benefit the middle classes as well. High tuition fees only allows the wealthier middle classes to go to university.


Entry into Uni should not be driven by money or class, it should be driven by academic ability (as it used to be), otherwise it's just a waste. The problem is that the exam system as it is has become so corrupted by political meddling that it's nigh on impossible to weed out the really bright students who will benefit most. Until that happens, we'll still end up with thousands of graduates who think that a degree in "media studies" will automatically open the door to a well-paid job.
Author:  mikepgood [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:55 am ]
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They should all be bloody ashamed of themselves.

Benefited from free degrees themselves then pulling up the ladder even further than Labour.

Should be free to those who are able to benefit themselves and the country.They will recompense the counrty by service (eg teaching or doctor and nursing)or taxes.

This ahsa happy beneficiary of a full grant at the time who has paid back approx 1/2 million in tax over the years and now a parent of uni student.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:45 pm ]
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dogbert10 wrote:
Entry into Uni should not be driven by money or class, it should be driven by academic ability (as it used to be), otherwise it's just a waste. The problem is that the exam system as it is has become so corrupted by political meddling that it's nigh on impossible to weed out the really bright students who will benefit most. Until that happens, we'll still end up with thousands of graduates who think that a degree in "media studies" will automatically open the door to a well-paid job.

I fully agree, it should be based on merit and ability. Though if your parents were rich enough to send you to private school then they should pay for university as well.
Author:  adidan [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:26 pm ]
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Yup, scrap the idea of everyone being entitled. They shouldn't be. You should get in on basis of merit, not class.

Funny, just as the Government says everyone has to tighten their belts they're going to increase the debt of individuals or just put people off altogether.

And who are left to implement any changes, oh that'll be a LibDem department. After this coalition I can see the LibDem party disapperaring unless they grow some balls in the meantime.

It would be interesting to see, if LibDem MPs abstain, how they could then implement new rules that they voted against.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:03 pm ]
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IMO
Cut the number of places rather than raising fees.
People with the lowest grades don't get in. Two E's at A-level shouldn't be enough.
Author:  pcernie [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:36 pm ]
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adidan wrote:
And who are left to implement any changes, oh that'll be a LibDem department. After this coalition I can see the LibDem party disapperaring unless they grow some balls in the meantime.


We had Clegg, the deputy PM, over the other day. It was all about the upcoming financial cutbacks* that'll be announced October 20th, and presumably trying to soften the blow since NI is so reliant on public sector jobs.

Anyway, the cabinet and it's ministers have all sorts of links to NI (like the NI secretary!), so why send Clegg? And you could speculate that it was known he'd get shouted down, as happened...

* NI was promised billions by Labour, essentially as part of the peace process - cuts would actually be breaking a legal agreement.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:30 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
adidan wrote:
And who are left to implement any changes, oh that'll be a LibDem department. After this coalition I can see the LibDem party disapperaring unless they grow some balls in the meantime.


We had Clegg, the deputy PM, over the other day. It was all about the upcoming financial cutbacks* that'll be announced October 20th, and presumably trying to soften the blow since NI is so reliant on public sector jobs.

Anyway, the cabinet and it's ministers have all sorts of links to NI (like the NI secretary!), so why send Clegg? And you could speculate that it was known he'd get shouted down, as happened...

* NI was promised billions by Labour, essentially as part of the peace process - cuts would actually be breaking a legal agreement.

So are the Real IRA the new negotiators? ;) maintain our subsidy or we blow up your conference. :D
Author:  pcernie [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:43 pm ]
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Not when they're blowing up (or trying to) Tory friends and associates:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/audio/2010 ... land-banks
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