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('No sh1t' sprang to mind with that headline there)

PricewaterhouseCoopers warns that 'alarming' level of debt may prove hard to deal with if interest rates increase.

Britain's economy is sitting on a timebomb of debt on course to break through the £10tn barrier within the next five years, according to a report out today charting the country's two-decade long addiction to borrowing.

The study by consultancy group PwC found that property speculation by individuals and companies, coupled with an explosion of debt-financed City deals in the past decade, had resulted in the ratio of debt to national income more than doubling since the late 1980s.

It warned that "alarming" levels of debt reached since the turn of the millennium would prove hard to service if there was even a modest increase in interest rates from current emergency levels.

John Hawksworth, chief economist at PwC, said: "There is a timebomb effect from the huge amount of debt built up across all sectors of the economy."

The PwC research showed that in 1987, the UK's total debt for households, the City, non-financial companies and the government stood at 200% of gross domestic product, the amount the economy produces in one year. By 2009 debt stood at £7.5tn and was 540% of GDP.

"The UK's addiction to debt has reached alarming levels during the past decade," Hawksworth said. "The rise in debt of the financial sector from 46% of GDP in 1987 to 245% in 2009 is particularly striking as banks lent large amounts to the shadow banking sector and most financial institutions geared up in search of higher returns on equity."

Even excluding the activities of banks and other financial institutions, gross UK debt almost doubled relative to GDP from just over 1.5 times national income in 1987 to around three times in 2009, with most of this increase coming from the private sector rather than the government.

Households borrowed more to buy houses, resulting in their debt burden rising from 63% of national output in 1987 to 110% of GDP by 2009. The non-financial corporate sector saw its debts rise from 45% to 122% of GDP over the same period, with more than half the current total related to commercial property.

"This is an addiction that it is going to be hard to get off," Hawksworth said. "If we try to get off quickly in a 'cold turkey' way the consequence will be another huge recession."

He said low interest rates had helped Britain cope with much higher debt levels, at least temporarily. Both nominal and real (inflation-adjusted) interest rates fell during the 1990s, while the recession of 2008-09 had seen them drop still further. "This has made it possible to service a larger debt stock relative to income levels, but current exceptionally low interest rates will not last forever and a large part of household and corporate lending remains exposed to possible future falls in residential and commercial property prices."

According to the PwC study, a rise in bank rate from 0.5% to 3% would result in the cost of servicing UK debts climbing by 8% of GDP – around £120bn at current prices.

The coalition is seeking to make the economy less dependent on both private and public sector debt over the coming years, and Hawksworth said eventually Britain would have to face up to reality.

"Total debt in our main scenario is projected to top the symbolic figure of £10tn by 2015 at a time when GDP will still be less than £2tn. This is a very heavy burden of debt for the economy to continue to bear, particularly with interest rates likely to rise significantly at some point over the next five years or so," Hawksworth said, noting that the Government's fiscal squeeze should allow interest rates to remain lower for longer than they otherwise would.

"Private sector debt levels in the UK have reached historically unprecedented levels. Sooner or later, this will have to be addressed either through debt being run down sharply, which would risk triggering [risking] another recession, or more likely through a persistently heavy debt service burden that could dampen economic growth for decades to come. Either way, deleveraging will be a painful process for the UK that goes well beyond the immediate challenge of getting the public finances under control."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... my-decades

PWC have some balls talking about the overseeing of dodgy deals, but still...

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10 trillion. Sorry, I can’t get my head around a number that big. I don’t really want to be around when that particular bubble bursts.

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10 trillion. Sorry, I can’t get my head around a number that big. I don’t really want to be around when that particular bubble bursts.

This is what happens when governments refuse to do their job and think only of the next election!

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paulzolo wrote:
10 trillion. Sorry, I can’t get my head around a number that big. I don’t really want to be around when that particular bubble bursts.

This is what happens when governments refuse to do their job and think only of the next election!

Actually all governments like us to borrow to stimulate the economy, because they do not have to. If bank interest rates were kept higher we would not have borrowed as much or saved as little as we did as a nation. Longer term interest rates need to climb to a level that is sustainable. I do not ever see that happening because governments are still fixated with monetarism, relying on interest rates to rescue the economy. Why do you think that they have abandoned fiscal policy as a means to control the economy?

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bobbdobbs wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
10 trillion. Sorry, I can’t get my head around a number that big. I don’t really want to be around when that particular bubble bursts.

This is what happens when governments refuse to do their job and think only of the next election!

Actually all governments like us to borrow to stimulate the economy, because they do not have to. If bank interest rates were kept higher we would not have borrowed as much or saved as little as we did as a nation. Longer term interest rates need to climb to a level that is sustainable. I do not ever see that happening because governments are still fixated with monetarism, relying on interest rates to rescue the economy. Why do you think that they have abandoned fiscal policy as a means to control the economy?

Theres a difference between borrowing a small amount that even if the interest rate go up you can still afford and what has been happening for some time whereby people were activly encourage to go further and further into the red because the days of boom and bust are gone.. yeah right!

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Small personal loans are not the problem as the rates are fixed. It will be the credit cards with their variable rates that will hit consumers hard along with mortgages. I did think Gordon was stupid saying that he had ended boom and bust.

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Virtually all of that lending has gone to people who should be well aware of the risks of their particular situation.

Much of it is held by hedge funds and private equity outfits that are funded in large part by foreign investors, are geared against multinational lenders, and are holding international portfolios, so that portion is not particularly relevant.

UK Government debt isn't that bad, although it is important to bring it down in the medium term, and an early start is desirable.

Household debt on mortgages is potentially problematic, but probably not ruinous in the UK, as we don't have the kind of oversupply that is to be seen in Ireland and Spain, nor the practically limitless land or tradition of cheap wooden housing seen in the USA. We also have stricter planning regulations than is common in those markets, which means your mortgages, even if underwater today, are liable to hold their value in the longer term here.

Commercial property, particularly in retail, could implode if internet retail picks up and a recession places shoe shops at risk. I wouldn't crap it over that though unless you hold shares in British Land etc, or really think that what Britain needs is another thousand JD Sports outlets.

Anyone who ran up big credit card debts when they were all throwing interest free credit transfers at us was a fool then, if they still hold those debts now, then they had better start reducing them. If they still hold them in two years when interest rates start to go up, then they may as well face facts by declaring themselves both bankrupt and incompetent.


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Anyone who ran up big credit card debts when they were all throwing interest free credit transfers at us was a fool then, if they still hold those debts now, then they had better start reducing them. If they still hold them in two years when interest rates start to go up, then they may as well face facts by declaring themselves both bankrupt and incompetent.


Of course if your lender does try to increase rates, then you can just close your credit card account and the interest rate will be frozen.

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Virtually all of that lending has gone to people who should be well aware of the risks of their particular situation.

Much of it is held by hedge funds and private equity outfits that are funded in large part by foreign investors, are geared against multinational lenders, and are holding international portfolios, so that portion is not particularly relevant.

Yes but these are the people that the coalition are aiming their cuts to please.

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UK Government debt isn't that bad, although it is important to bring it down in the medium term, and an early start is desirable.

A tough efficiency drive would have been fine for this year, but all departments should share the pain. Then plan the cuts next year when they have identified areas.

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Household debt on mortgages is potentially problematic, but probably not ruinous in the UK, as we don't have the kind of oversupply that is to be seen in Ireland and Spain, nor the practically limitless land or tradition of cheap wooden housing seen in the USA. We also have stricter planning regulations than is common in those markets, which means your mortgages, even if underwater today, are liable to hold their value in the longer term here.

Yes over the longer term, but I anticipate them being below todays levels in ten years time.

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Commercial property, particularly in retail, could implode if internet retail picks up and a recession places shoe shops at risk. I wouldn't crap it over that though unless you hold shares in British Land etc, or really think that what Britain needs is another thousand JD Sports outlets.

The recession has probably brought rents down quite a lot already. I think that commercial rents come down a lot faster when times are bad. They might find it hard to grow over the next decade.

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Anyone who ran up big credit card debts when they were all throwing interest free credit transfers at us was a fool then, if they still hold those debts now, then they had better start reducing them. If they still hold them in two years when interest rates start to go up, then they may as well face facts by declaring themselves both bankrupt and incompetent.

I agree.

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