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Author:  pcernie [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:  The evidence of how Boob Job works

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If science has any credibility, it derives from transparency. When you make a claim about how something works, you provide references to experiments, describing what was done so it can be replicated, detailing what was measured and how. Then people discuss what they think it means in the real world.

Maria Hatzistefanis is a star of lifestyle pages and the owner of Rodial, the cosmetics company that sells a product called Boob Job which, it claims, will give you a "fuller bust" "increase the bust size" and "plump up the décolleté area" with "an instant lifting and firming effect", and deliver an increase of half a cup size in 56 days. Or rather an increase of "8.4%". It's all very precise.

I'm not going to lose sleep over anybody who buys a magic cream to make their breasts grow bigger. What worries me is that Hatzistefanis's company is making libel threats against a doctor, simply for daring to voice doubts at these claims.

This is her crime. Dr Dalia Nield, a plastic surgeon, told the Daily Mail it was "highly unlikely" the cream would make your breasts bigger, and questioned the amount of information provided by Rodial. "The manufacturers are not giving us any information on tests they have carried out. They are not telling us the exact ingredients in the product and how they increase the size of the breast."

That's fair. I don't trust claims without evidence, especially not about a magic cream that makes your breasts expand. Maybe it does work – I don't particularly care, either way – but when I asked the company for any evidence or information on ingredients, they refused. This is odd, as I've seen the letter Rodial's lawyers sent, and they tell Dr Nield: "Our client on request would have provided all information required on clinical assessment and product ingredients."

Apparently not.

Dr Nield went on to speculate that the gel could be "potentially dangerous … it may even harm the skin and the breasts – we need a full analysis". This is reasonable: anything that has real effects on the body may have unintended side-effects, and that is an uncontroversial statement, especially when important information is being withheld.

The story gets stranger. When Sense About Science, who have helped drive the campaign for libel law reform in the UK, put out a press release about Rodial threatening Dr Nield with libel, they were contacted by Hegarty, the firm of solicitors for Rodial. They seemed to be trying to stop people from daring to talk about the existence of their libel threat.

People often ask if there are short cuts in detecting nonsense. It's not easy to do in a checklist, because there are so many ways to distort evidence, but for me there is one clear risk factor. Science is built on transparency, giving your evidence and engaging with legitimate criticism. If you hear of a company refusing to hand over evidence it says supports its claims, whether they are a drug company or some dismal cosmetics firm, all you know is that you are being deprived of information and that vital parts of the picture are missing. If you hear someone is threatening to sue their critics, again, all you know is that people will be intimidated from raising legitimate concerns and, again, you are being deprived of information.

Meanwhile, Dr Nield is one individual facing a large company. Doctors and scientists are commonly asked for their opinion on medical interventions, and it's in our collective interest that they give honest answers without fear that their lives will be taken over for years by a company with money and a distorted sense of reputation, and lose vast sums of money even if they successfully defend the case, as has happened so many times recently. With the law today, doctors and scientists might be wise to stop giving any view about any drug or health-related product marketed for commercial purposes, in any forum, and make it clear that from now on, decisions about efficacy should be made solely by the manufacturers. Good luck with that.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... l-boob-job

You can't help thinking that if these sorts of 'miracle cures' actually worked, the companies involved would be worth more than Google :oops:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:32 pm ]
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Does it work on man boobs? :shock:

Author:  jonbwfc [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:36 pm ]
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It'd be a brave man that bought some as a present for their other half :lol:

Author:  steve74 [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:48 pm ]
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If the bloke was allowed to rub it in, then it wouldn't just be the boobs that were expanding.
:P

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:16 pm ]
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steve74 wrote:
If the bloke was allowed to rub it in, then it wouldn't just be the boobs that were expanding.
:P

I suspect that the man would even buy it if allowed to rub it in. ;)

Author:  steve74 [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:30 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
I suspect that the man would even buy it if allowed to rub it in. ;)

Yes, and in bulk - maybe they'd have to make it in larger containers! Something like a 10-gallon drum would suffice.

Author:  JJW009 [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The evidence of how Boob Job works

There's nothing wrong with small breasts. And there's certainly nothing wrong with spending as much time as possible rubbing a harmless cream into them :oops:

The marketing strategy sucks though. I'm sure there must be a law against making unsubstantiated medical claims, and there's definitely legislation concerning medicinal products. Perhaps they need re-examining; otherwise I'm going to start renting out my hands as breast enhancing tools.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The evidence of how Boob Job works

Boob size is irrelevant. It is never on the criteria of why I date someone, in fact it is never even considered. It seems to be the women who have more of an issue over the size than the men do.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:04 pm ]
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JJW009 wrote:
I'm going to start renting out my hands as breast enhancing tools.


Are you franchising that? :)

Author:  adidan [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:44 am ]
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JJW009 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with small breasts.

Not appealing to me. If i'm blunt, you can't whack anything in between them. Personal preference.

Author:  veato [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:46 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
JJW009 wrote:
I'm going to start renting out my hands as breast enhancing tools.


Are you franchising that? :)


Maybe you'll grow unfeasibly large hands as a result?

Author:  steve74 [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The evidence of how Boob Job works

adidan wrote:
If i'm blunt, you can't whack anything in between them.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You mean like somewhere to hold your beer bottle?
;)

Author:  adidan [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:51 pm ]
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steve74 wrote:
adidan wrote:
If i'm blunt, you can't whack anything in between them.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You mean like somewhere to hold your beer bottle?
;)

Something like that.... :D

Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The evidence of how Boob Job works

veato wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
JJW009 wrote:
I'm going to start renting out my hands as breast enhancing tools.


Are you franchising that? :)


Maybe you'll grow unfeasibly large hands as a result?

Hmm... maybe big breasts have the power to make small breasts grow when two women rub up against each other.

I think perhaps there's a growing market for the video at least :oops:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:59 pm ]
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JJW009 wrote:
Hmm... maybe big breasts have the power to make small breasts grow when two women rub up against each other.

I think perhaps there's a growing market for the video at least :oops:

Yes but there are plenty of those sorts of videos already on the internet. Plus if women can run up against each other it will mean the cutting out of the middle man. ;)

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