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More trouble about to be unleashed in the next few days by the sound of it; not just details of the war in Afghanistan but 'secret' American correspondence uncovering what US diplomats really think of their allies.

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The U.S. ambassador to London made an unprecedented personal visit to Downing Street to warn that whistleblower website WikiLeaks is about to publish secret assessments of what Washington really thinks of Britain.
The website is on the verge of revealing almost 3million documents, including thousands of sensitive diplomatic cables sent to Washington from the American embassy in London.
The bombshell leak is thought to include U.S. assessments of Gordon Brown’s personality and his prospects of winning the General Election, and secret discussions on the return of the Lockerbie bomber to Libya.


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However, according to the UK-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat, the WikiLeaks release includes documents that show Turkey has helped Al Qaeda in Iraq - an extraordinary revelation which could kill off the country’s hopes of joining the EU.



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David Cameron's spokesman this morning declined to discuss the nature of any confidential communications which may have been obtained by WikiLeaks.

The spokesman said: "Obviously, the government has been briefed by US officials, by the US ambassador, as to the likely content of these leaks.

"I don't want to speculate about precisely what is going to be leaked before it is leaked."

Washington could be embarrassed by the publication of candid and forthright assessments of foreign governments made by its officials.

Crowley warned that publication could erode trust in the US as a diplomatic partner.


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Excellent, cheers for that :)

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The US has for decades only had their interests as an objective. They are not the best ally. They screwed us over so many deals. It had to happen one day that they would be found out.

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Although Wikileaks is having problems at the moment, it seems that the latest leak will go ahead regardless.

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Whistle-blowing website Wikileaks says it is under attack from a computer-hacking operation, ahead of a release of secret US documents.

"We are currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack," it says on its Twitter feed.


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Wikileaks has said the release of classified messages sent by US embassies will be bigger than past releases on Afghanistan and Iraq.

The newspapers set to publish details of the US embassy cables include Spain's El Pais, France's Le Monde, Germany's Speigel, the UK's Guardian and the New York Times.


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WikiLeaks' latest Twitter:

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Pentagon says it expects 'nothing new' in next Wikileaks dump. 'Nothing new' to THEM goes without saying.

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The Guardian has started releasing details of the leaks which include the fact that Saudia Arabia have been urging the US to attack Iran in order to destroy its nuclear programme and that Hilary Clinton appears to have instructed US diplomats to spy on the U.N. leadership.

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Also mentioned are links between the Russian Government and the mafia. Well I never!

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First of all, Wikileaks and Julian are gonna have to play up the 'This is what our leaders and officials get up to' angle a lot more - a lot of that stuff will make it easier to suggest that they're throwing details around with little idea of potential consequences.

But then there's this:

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The US embassy cables are marked "Sipdis" – secret internet protocol distribution. They were compiled as part of a programme under which selected dispatches, considered moderately secret but suitable for sharing with other agencies, would be automatically loaded on to secure embassy websites, and linked with the military's Siprnet internet system.

They are classified at various levels up to "SECRET NOFORN" [no foreigners]. More than 11,000 are marked secret, while around 9,000 of the cables are marked noforn. The embassies which sent most cables were Ankara, Baghdad, Amman, Kuwait and Tokyo.

More than 3 million US government personnel and soldiers, many extremely junior, are cleared to have potential access to this material, even though the cables contain the identities of foreign informants, often sensitive contacts in dictatorial regimes. Some are marked "protect" or "strictly protect".


Surely that's more of a general statement, and/or the 'potential access' angle should be given more detail there? :?

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Oh yes, and I do hope the Royal causing a fuss was Phil - it's only right :D

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Oh yes, and I do hope the Royal causing a fuss was Phil - it's only right :D

I'm betting Harry. Some wild partying that got out of hand...


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Oh yes, and I do hope the Royal causing a fuss was Phil - it's only right :D

I'm betting Harry. Some wild partying that got out of hand...

I am betting Andy, though it is a tough one. So many possibilities. :lol:

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All this could be a smokescreen for something else happening. Image

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All this could be a smokescreen for something else happening. Image

The government will be announcing something awful next week.

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Sensational claims of ‘inappropriate behaviour’ by Prince Andrew emerged last night in the biggest intelligence leak in history.
Secret U.S. embassy cables are said to show the prince, who is a UK trade envoy, has shocked the Americans with his ‘rude behaviour abroad’.
A Buckingham Palace source said: ‘We are awaiting further detail, as everyone else is.’

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Has Wikileaks run out of secrets?

Julian - this lot's rubbish

By Andrew Orlowski

According to a story that's popular in Washington, after Bill Clinton held his first meeting with his intelligence chiefs as President, he pulled them aside. "Look, guys," he said. "There's really two things I want to know: Who killed the Kennedys? And have aliens landed?"

The story is told with a kind of "Look who's just rolled in from Arkansas" relish - but admit it, they're not a bad start, and if you were in Bubba's shoes, you might have wanted to ask these yourself.

Clinton's apparent curiosity contrasts with this pitiful selection of "secrets" divulged by Wikileaks, trumpeted so loudly you'd think the End Times were upon us.

Previously, I've compared Wikileaks to Kabuki theatre, in which everyone has a part to play. This latest drop, hyped for weeks, merely seems to confirm it. You can boo or hiss accordingly. Assange is saving the world, or destroying international relations. Get a grip, people.

We were never going to learn very much of substance from diplomatic cables, as diplomats are merely ornaments, the eunuchs in the room. If you want secrets that show something about power, you want to hear from the people who arrange the hit squads - not the people who arrange the cocktail parties.

We only have second-hand reports to go on, but apparently the world of diplomacy has been shaken to its foundations by revelations that … Gadaffi has a hot blonde nurse; a Labour politician is apparently lecherous; security around the Pakistan nuclear program is not very good; a member of the Royal family was rude on a foreign visit.

(This is standard operating procedure for Royals, by the way. As is diplomatic spookery.)

No wait, there's more. Kim Jong-il is "a flabby old chap". Well - would you have guessed any of this?

Not only is this material utterly trivial and inconsequential, but it looks as if it's already been heavily filleted. There really isn't anything to embarrass US-Russian relations, and revelations about Israel and Syria are conspicuous by their absence.

Cryptome operator John Young has a much better list, including:

Files on North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and perhaps most significantly, Israel - its weaponry, war plans, assassination squads, foreign sources of funds, Mossad and its collaborators
Files on weapons of mass destruction, nuclear, biological, chemical, radiological. Top secret files of the IAEA on nuclear non-proliferation contributed and deceptively withheld by a bevy of nations, ie, the CIA's Valerie Plame and related front companies
Files of global WMD research laboratories and the status of reserve stocks of offensive and defensive weapons
War plans of all nations, for and against one another
Files of billionaire political meddlers
Files of the major world banks and their attorneys
Files of national tax agencies.
Now isn't that much more like it?

The longer that Wikileaks continues to pump out trivia, and governments issue their theatrical, orchestrated cries that the sky is falling, the longer we're left in the dark. Wikileaks and the establishment do now seem to depend on each other to quite an unhealthy degree.

Perhaps you've got a list, too. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/29 ... atic_yawn/

It's more the press overselling it to my mind, but as I've said for a while now, Wikileak's position seems quite weak in general...

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