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Author: | Paul1965 [ Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:28 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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More trouble about to be unleashed in the next few days by the sound of it; not just details of the war in Afghanistan but 'secret' American correspondence uncovering what US diplomats really think of their allies.
More here and here. |
Author: | pcernie [ Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:57 pm ] |
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Excellent, cheers for that ![]() |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:55 pm ] |
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The US has for decades only had their interests as an objective. They are not the best ally. They screwed us over so many deals. It had to happen one day that they would be found out. |
Author: | Paul1965 [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:36 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Although Wikileaks is having problems at the moment, it seems that the latest leak will go ahead regardless.
More here. |
Author: | Paul1965 [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:24 pm ] | |||||||||
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WikiLeaks' latest Twitter:
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Author: | Paul1965 [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:11 pm ] |
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The Guardian has started releasing details of the leaks which include the fact that Saudia Arabia have been urging the US to attack Iran in order to destroy its nuclear programme and that Hilary Clinton appears to have instructed US diplomats to spy on the U.N. leadership. More here: Clicky. Also mentioned are links between the Russian Government and the mafia. Well I never! |
Author: | pcernie [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:49 pm ] | |||||||||
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First of all, Wikileaks and Julian are gonna have to play up the 'This is what our leaders and officials get up to' angle a lot more - a lot of that stuff will make it easier to suggest that they're throwing details around with little idea of potential consequences. But then there's this:
Surely that's more of a general statement, and/or the 'potential access' angle should be given more detail there? ![]() |
Author: | pcernie [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:50 pm ] |
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Oh yes, and I do hope the Royal causing a fuss was Phil - it's only right ![]() |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:21 pm ] | |||||||||
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I'm betting Harry. Some wild partying that got out of hand... |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:13 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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I am betting Andy, though it is a tough one. So many possibilities. ![]() |
Author: | belchingmatt [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:21 pm ] |
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All this could be a smokescreen for something else happening. ![]() |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:49 pm ] | |||||||||
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The government will be announcing something awful next week. |
Author: | Paul1965 [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:09 am ] | |||||||||
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Author: | pcernie [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:28 pm ] |
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Has Wikileaks run out of secrets? Julian - this lot's rubbish By Andrew Orlowski According to a story that's popular in Washington, after Bill Clinton held his first meeting with his intelligence chiefs as President, he pulled them aside. "Look, guys," he said. "There's really two things I want to know: Who killed the Kennedys? And have aliens landed?" The story is told with a kind of "Look who's just rolled in from Arkansas" relish - but admit it, they're not a bad start, and if you were in Bubba's shoes, you might have wanted to ask these yourself. Clinton's apparent curiosity contrasts with this pitiful selection of "secrets" divulged by Wikileaks, trumpeted so loudly you'd think the End Times were upon us. Previously, I've compared Wikileaks to Kabuki theatre, in which everyone has a part to play. This latest drop, hyped for weeks, merely seems to confirm it. You can boo or hiss accordingly. Assange is saving the world, or destroying international relations. Get a grip, people. We were never going to learn very much of substance from diplomatic cables, as diplomats are merely ornaments, the eunuchs in the room. If you want secrets that show something about power, you want to hear from the people who arrange the hit squads - not the people who arrange the cocktail parties. We only have second-hand reports to go on, but apparently the world of diplomacy has been shaken to its foundations by revelations that … Gadaffi has a hot blonde nurse; a Labour politician is apparently lecherous; security around the Pakistan nuclear program is not very good; a member of the Royal family was rude on a foreign visit. (This is standard operating procedure for Royals, by the way. As is diplomatic spookery.) No wait, there's more. Kim Jong-il is "a flabby old chap". Well - would you have guessed any of this? Not only is this material utterly trivial and inconsequential, but it looks as if it's already been heavily filleted. There really isn't anything to embarrass US-Russian relations, and revelations about Israel and Syria are conspicuous by their absence. Cryptome operator John Young has a much better list, including: Files on North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and perhaps most significantly, Israel - its weaponry, war plans, assassination squads, foreign sources of funds, Mossad and its collaborators Files on weapons of mass destruction, nuclear, biological, chemical, radiological. Top secret files of the IAEA on nuclear non-proliferation contributed and deceptively withheld by a bevy of nations, ie, the CIA's Valerie Plame and related front companies Files of global WMD research laboratories and the status of reserve stocks of offensive and defensive weapons War plans of all nations, for and against one another Files of billionaire political meddlers Files of the major world banks and their attorneys Files of national tax agencies. Now isn't that much more like it? The longer that Wikileaks continues to pump out trivia, and governments issue their theatrical, orchestrated cries that the sky is falling, the longer we're left in the dark. Wikileaks and the establishment do now seem to depend on each other to quite an unhealthy degree. Perhaps you've got a list, too. ® http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/29 ... atic_yawn/ It's more the press overselling it to my mind, but as I've said for a while now, Wikileak's position seems quite weak in general... |
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