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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Fireman admits causing death of farmer trampled by cows
A fireman has admitted causing the death of a farmer who was crushed by his herd of cows after they were startled by fire engine sirens.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-11990507
Author:  JJW009 [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fireman admits causing death of farmer trampled by cows
Surely the cows caused the death, not the fireman?

Is it even legal to block the Queen's highway with cattle in this day and age?
Author:  ProfessorF [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:53 pm ]
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I thought the judge had acquitted him after deciding that the circumstances for using the lights n sirens were sufficiently urgent?
Author:  belchingmatt [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:00 pm ]
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JJW009 wrote:
Surely the cows caused the death, not the fireman?

Is it even legal to block the Queen's highway with cattle in this day and age?


There is at least one society that membership allows herding of livestock across Tower Bridge.

Just don't tell Bratty.
Author:  steve74 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:49 am ]
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JJW009 wrote:
Is it even legal to block the Queen's highway with cattle in this day and age?

You don't live in the countryside, then? ;)
Happens all the time, the cows don't fly from the field to the milking machine - though I admit that would be a sight to behold! :P
Author:  hifidelity2 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:14 pm ]
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steve74 wrote:
JJW009 wrote:
Is it even legal to block the Queen's highway with cattle in this day and age?

You don't live in the countryside, then? ;)
Happens all the time, the cows don't fly from the field to the milking machine - though I admit that would be a sight to behold! :P


Just dont look up with your mouth open
Author:  rustybucket [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:20 pm ]
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JJW009 wrote:
Is it even legal to block the Queen's highway with cattle in this day and age?

Yep.

And long may it continue.
Author:  steve74 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fireman admits causing death of farmer trampled by cows
Back where my parents live (in deepest, darkest Yorkshire Dales) there are a few farmers that have to move their cows from the field to their milking shed twice a day - meaning they have to walk about half a mile along the narrow single lane road. If you time it badly, you'll catch them just exiting the field's gate - meaning you're stuck behind them for a good 15-20 minutes while they saunter along.

However tempting it is to sound your horn and and get all aggressive, you just can't do that in the country - cows are quite unpredictable creatures that can get spooked very easily, much like a horse. The fireman could have shouted to the farmer, who would have herded them to one side and provide a pathway through, or they could have got two or three of the firemen out of the cab to help them out of the way. It would have taken all of a minute, if that, but they were just too impatient. That impatience cost someone their life, and also very likely meant they didn't get to their call out at all - so what was the point of that?
Author:  brataccas [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:50 pm ]
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It was the farmers fault, he didnt MOO-ve out of the way fast enough :lol:
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fireman admits causing death of farmer trampled by cows
steve74 wrote:
Back where my parents live (in deepest, darkest Yorkshire Dales) there are a few farmers that have to move their cows from the field to their milking shed twice a day - meaning they have to walk about half a mile along the narrow single lane road. If you time it badly, you'll catch them just exiting the field's gate - meaning you're stuck behind them for a good 15-20 minutes while they saunter along.

However tempting it is to sound your horn and and get all aggressive, you just can't do that in the country - cows are quite unpredictable creatures that can get spooked very easily, much like a horse. The fireman could have shouted to the farmer, who would have herded them to one side and provide a pathway through, or they could have got two or three of the firemen out of the cab to help them out of the way. It would have taken all of a minute, if that, but they were just too impatient. That impatience cost someone their life, and also very likely meant they didn't get to their call out at all - so what was the point of that?

Well if the route is blocked the problem is that you have to get them off the road. If that will take ten minutes then the fire crew need to use another route. Simples.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:33 pm ]
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Or, frankly, run over the cows. Fire engines are ruddy big and if it's a choice some farmer's herd and someone burning to death, well, there are always more cows.

Jon
Author:  ProfessorF [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fireman admits causing death of farmer trampled by cows
Amnesia10 wrote:
Well if the route is blocked the problem is that you have to get them off the road. If that will take ten minutes then the fire crew need to use another route. Simples.


The other route's probably longer than 10 minutes away though - the countryside is somewhat inconvenient like that by virtue of not being built on a grid system. If it's a single lane road, you're talking about either reversing a fire engine through twisty lanes for god knows how long, or looking for somewhere wide enough to accommodate a three point turn. All of which would, I'd suggest, add more than ten minutes to the time.
Author:  steve74 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fireman admits causing death of farmer trampled by cows
But the fact is their reckless behaviour led to the death of a farmer, which also probably meant they didn't get to their call out anyway - and so this could have also led to another death if it was a real emergency (no mention of this in the news articles, but in theory that could so easily have been the outcome).

Or is a life of a farmer somehow less important than someone stuck in a burning building?
:?
Author:  JJW009 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fireman admits causing death of farmer trampled by cows
steve74 wrote:
However tempting it is to sound your horn and and get all aggressive, you just can't do that in the country - cows are quite unpredictable creatures that can get spooked very easily, much like a horse. The fireman could have shouted to the farmer, who would have herded them to one side and provide a pathway through, or they could have got two or three of the firemen out of the cab to help them out of the way. It would have taken all of a minute, if that, but they were just too impatient. That impatience cost someone their life, and also very likely meant they didn't get to their call out at all - so what was the point of that?

Do you think such information is included when you train to be a fire engine driver?

Quite frankly, I have no experience of cows in traffic and I would simply expect them to get out the damned way if I was in a big red noisy fire engine.
Author:  steve74 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fireman admits causing death of farmer trampled by cows
JJW009 wrote:
Do you think such information is included when you train to be a fire engine driver?

Maybe not specifically in training a fireman, but it's in the Highway Code after all so it's something we should all know if we drive...

The Highway Code wrote:
214
Animals. When passing animals, drive slowly. Give them plenty of room and be ready to stop. Do not scare animals by sounding your horn, revving your engine or accelerating rapidly once you have passed them. Look out for animals being led, driven or ridden on the road and take extra care. Keep your speed down at bends and on narrow country roads. If a road is blocked by a herd of animals, stop and switch off your engine until they have left the road. Watch out for animals on unfenced roads.

As with the police or ambulance, just because it's an emergency shouldn't mean they are exempt from the rules of the Highway Code. Police drivers have been prosecuted for killing pedestrians or other drivers in the course of a pursuit, I don't see why should firemen be any different really.

JJW009 wrote:
Quite frankly, I have no experience of cows in traffic and I would simply expect them to get out the damned way if I was in a big red noisy fire engine.

Yep, I think that was the main problem - the fact that they were getting out of the way cos they were scared to fuk - then promptly flattened the farmer.
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