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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Universities admitting too many private school pupils

Universities admitting too many private school pupils

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Alan Milburn, the former Labour cabinet member, said large numbers of universities – including several ex-polytechnics – admitted too many pupils from private schools while failing to reach out to the most deprived teenagers.
Speaking on Tueday, he warned that a major “rethink” was needed to widen access to higher education.
Mr Milburn, who is carrying out a review into social mobility for the Government, also admitted that Labour’s attempts to help poor children climb the social ladder was “flawed”.
The comments follow the publication of figures showing that teenagers from deprived backgrounds have slightly less chance of gaining places at leading universities than they did 15 years ago.
In the mid-90s, some 3.3 per cent of places at the top third of universities went to students from the poorest homes, but this proportion fell to 3.2 per cent in 2009.

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Universities admitting too many private school pupils

TBH I think this is a difficult issue. No one sends their kids to private schools on the basis that the child becomes a refuse collector or similar. The majority will want their kids to go to uni. I would be unhappy if after spending xxx amount of cash on educating my child(ren) to then find they can't get into uni.

Having said that, it must be recognised that someone who is educated in a crap school but still performs well is recognised for their talents.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Universities admitting too many private school pupils

Private schools send more children to uni as more of their children get the required grades. It might suck that money "buys" entry, but it's nor fair to refuse a child entry who has the grades just because of the school they went to. Socical engineering sucks ass!

Author:  hifidelity2 [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Universities admitting too many private school pupils

l3v1ck wrote:
Private schools send more children to uni as more of their children get the required grades. It might suck that money "buys" entry, but it's nor fair to refuse a child entry who has the grades just because of the school they went to. Socical engineering sucks ass!


Exactly - thats life!

I went to Public (Private) school as my parents worked overseas so I need to go to a boarding school to get UK O & A levels. The minimum that you were allowed to do was 8 O levels and 3 A Levels (or 5 Scottish highers). I know from friends of the same age that in thier Comp only a select few were streamed / expected to do that level.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Universities admitting too many private school pupils

l3v1ck wrote:
Private schools send more children to uni as more of their children get the required grades. It might suck that money "buys" entry, but it's nor fair to refuse a child entry who has the grades just because of the school they went to. Socical engineering sucks ass!

Not just the required grades but much better grades at tougher exams. The meddling by ministers to create league tables has meant that the exams are considerably easier than in the past, in a race to the bottom. The private schools have switched to the baccalaureate because of this.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Universities admitting too many private school pupils

Amnesia10 wrote:
Not just the required grades but much better grades at tougher exams. The meddling by ministers to create league tables has meant that the exams are considerably easier than in the past, in a race to the bottom. The private schools have switched to the baccalaureate because of this.

That's because of our stupid exam board system. Exam boards compete to get customers (ie schools) and they get them by making it slightly easier to get grades. That has gone on for years, hence the low standards of todays exams. The only one that didn't follow that trend of lowering standards was the Oxford & Cambridge exam board. As a result they went out of business as schools stopped using them.My schools had such a high failure rate in French, it switch exam boards to one that offered 100% coursework. The pass rate double in a year.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Universities admitting too many private school pupils

l3v1ck wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Not just the required grades but much better grades at tougher exams. The meddling by ministers to create league tables has meant that the exams are considerably easier than in the past, in a race to the bottom. The private schools have switched to the baccalaureate because of this.

That's because of our stupid exam board system. Exam boards compete to get customers (ie schools) and they get them by making it slightly easier to get grades. That has gone on for years, hence the low standards of todays exams. The only one that didn't follow that trend of lowering standards was the Oxford & Cambridge exam board. As a result they went out of business as schools stopped using them.My schools had such a high failure rate in French, it switch exam boards to one that offered 100% coursework. The pass rate double in a year.

Exactly why I would like to see a single exam board (a reformed Oxford & Cambridge exam board), and scrap the rest. That way exams can be compared between generations. It would also eliminate the extra year (soon to be £9000) that many remedial university students are having to do to get them up to standard.

Author:  tombolt [ Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:25 am ]
Post subject:  Universities admitting too many private school pupils

It's such a shame that the rich and poor divide has grown more rather than reduced. I was educated privately, but my parents weren't all that wealthy and state schools weren't all that bad at the time either.

I certainly won't be able to give my children the sort of private education I had. I may be able to afford an independent day school at a push, but not the full on Tom brown experience I had.

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