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Telephone numbers, addresses, credit card numbers, email and other details of British air travellers will be available on demand for all of the EU’s police forces, including countries such as Bulgaria and Romania where corruption among law enforcement officials is widespread.
The system, billed on Wednesday as an anti-terrorism measure, will track all travellers and will also allow any EU police officer access to the data on suspicion of a serious crime, including offences that are not a crime in Britain.
Civil liberties campaigners fear the new EU surveillance system will make Britons more vulnerable to miscarriages of justice amid growing concern over EU policing measures and the lack of safeguards or judicial standards in some European countries.
MPs have also been angered that the government is actively negotiating, alongside France, to hand over the information without first informing the House of Commons, making a “charade” of ministerial promises not give up justice powers to the EU without parliamentary approval.
Guy Herbert, of the No2ID campaign group, said the measure was about “about greed for surveillance” not fighting terrorism.

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There is no real need to travel by air in Europe. You can go everywhere by train or car.

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There is no real need to travel by air in Europe. You can go everywhere by train or car.

I agree. I am planning a trip to Bergen soon and a overnight ferry is a nice option, it is the eight hours by rail or coach to get to the port that adds to the journey. I have thought of flying to oslo and then taking the coastal train to Bergen, which is more than ten hours, with a change. But the journey will be spectacular.

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paulzolo wrote:
There is no real need to travel by air in Europe. You can go everywhere by train or car.

I agree. I am planning a trip to Bergen soon and a overnight ferry is a nice option, it is the eight hours by rail or coach to get to the port that adds to the journey. I have thought of flying to oslo and then taking the coastal train to Bergen, which is more than ten hours, with a change. But the journey will be spectacular.


Sounds like the views would make the train journey part of the holiday. When I travel to Europe on the Eurostar, I like to see the scenery change as the journey progresses. You don’t get that when flying.

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Amnesia10 wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
There is no real need to travel by air in Europe. You can go everywhere by train or car.

I agree. I am planning a trip to Bergen soon and a overnight ferry is a nice option, it is the eight hours by rail or coach to get to the port that adds to the journey. I have thought of flying to oslo and then taking the coastal train to Bergen, which is more than ten hours, with a change. But the journey will be spectacular.


norway is the only place I can enjoy a bus ride or train ride 8-)

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paulzolo wrote:
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paulzolo wrote:
There is no real need to travel by air in Europe. You can go everywhere by train or car.

I agree. I am planning a trip to Bergen soon and a overnight ferry is a nice option, it is the eight hours by rail or coach to get to the port that adds to the journey. I have thought of flying to oslo and then taking the coastal train to Bergen, which is more than ten hours, with a change. But the journey will be spectacular.


Sounds like the views would make the train journey part of the holiday. When I travel to Europe on the Eurostar, I like to see the scenery change as the journey progresses. You don’t get that when flying.

Yes the cost is the real problem. Airlines are seriously subsidised with tax free fuel. Rail companies have it pay it at quite a level. Hardly a level playing field.

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