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Author:  pcernie [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Child safety vetting scheme 'to be scrapped'

A scheme for vetting people who work with children is to be scrapped, the government is preparing to announce.

The Daily Telegraph reports that following a review of the Vetting and Barring Scheme, criminal record checks will only be carried out on those who have intensive contact with the young.

A potential 9m adults - who came into contact with children once a week or more - had been subject to checks.

Home Secretary Theresa May suspended it last June so a review could be held.

A Home Office spokesman said an official announcement - which affects England, Wales and Northern Ireland - would be made shortly.

The previous government set up the Vetting and Barring Scheme (VBS) in 2009 in response to the murder of schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in Soham in 2002 by school caretaker Ian Huntley.

Halting the initiative last summer, the home secretary called it "draconian", and launched a review in October.

The Telegraph has reported that it will now be scaled back significantly - with half the number of people affected - and the emphasis shifted on to employers to ensure the right staff are screened.

Crime reduction charity Nacro cautiously welcomed the news but called for more fundamental reform of the existing "complex and confusing" policy.

A spokesman said employers needed to be better informed about how to use checking systems and tackle the discrimination many ex-offenders experienced.

"The level of checks has escalated disproportionately since they were established," he said.

"It means good people who have made a mistake and turned their backs on crime have their careers and hope for rehabilitation put on the line."

The government will also announce that criminal record checks are to be sent to individuals first - before they go to potential employers - to allow them to challenge any mistakes, the paper said.

Ms May has previously called for a more "common sense" approach that did not risk alienating volunteers doing valuable work.
Volunteers discouraged

Criticisms have included more than 12,000 innocent people being labelled as paedophiles, violent criminals and thieves through an error, and councils banning parents from playgrounds saying only vetted "play rangers" would be allowed in.

Some parents have also reported running into difficulties when trying to share the responsibilities of the school run.

Derek Twine, chief executive of the Scouts Association, said whilst there was a lot about the scheme that was right, he still had some reservations about the proposed changes.

He told the BBC: "We still have very grave concerns about local operation now putting the bureaucracy into the communities rather than being centralised...

"The onus is going to be put on the local volunteer in his or her community to manage everything to do with that check, as opposed to the organisation for which they want to come forward."

The review has been led by the government's independent adviser for criminality information management, Sunita Mason.

Set up by the Independent Safeguarding Authority (ISA), the original VBS system was designed to prevent unsuitable people working with children and vulnerable adults, with employers facing prosecution for breaches.

An independent review of the scheme took place after complaints that volunteers were being discouraged because the registration net was too wide.

As a result, ministers agreed to vet adults only if they saw the same group of children or vulnerable people once a week or more, rather than once a month as originally proposed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12372097

Are they seriously suggesting sending thousands of criminal records out in the post around the UK? :shock: :?

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Child safety vetting scheme 'to be scrapped'

Secondly if a burglar applies to be a teaching assistant is their record relevant?

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Child safety vetting scheme 'to be scrapped'

A work colleague is a volunteer member of the sea scouts, the scouts and also helps out with a few other community groups. So in the last three years he has had 12 CRB checks. :roll:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Child safety vetting scheme 'to be scrapped'

bobbdobbs wrote:
A work colleague is a volunteer member of the sea scouts, the scouts and also helps out with a few other community groups. So in the last three years he has had 12 CRB checks. :roll:

He must be a right danger to society. :D

Author:  paulzolo [ Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Child safety vetting scheme 'to be scrapped'

Amnesia10 wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
A work colleague is a volunteer member of the sea scouts, the scouts and also helps out with a few other community groups. So in the last three years he has had 12 CRB checks. :roll:

He must be a right danger to society. :D


A CRB check is valid only for the institution that required it. I had one done for my other half’s school so I could spend a day with a class making a video of a dance they were doing. If I were to work in another school, I’d need another CRB check done for that one. If you are, say, an OFSTED inspector, or a peripatetic music teacher, or even a supply teacher, you’d need a CRB check for every school you visit. At £25 a shot, this is an expensive game.

The idea of a “one for all” CRB check makes more sense, but the people who dreamed them up didn’t think about this. :roll:

Author:  rustybucket [ Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:20 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
The idea of a “one for all” CRB check makes more sense, but the people who dreamed them up didn’t think about this. :roll:

Which tells you that, in all likelihood, the people who dreamed this up don't ever do any volunteer work.

Which should lead you to ask why they were involved in the first place. :roll:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Child safety vetting scheme 'to be scrapped'

paulzolo wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
A work colleague is a volunteer member of the sea scouts, the scouts and also helps out with a few other community groups. So in the last three years he has had 12 CRB checks. :roll:

He must be a right danger to society. :D


A CRB check is valid only for the institution that required it. I had one done for my other half’s school so I could spend a day with a class making a video of a dance they were doing. If I were to work in another school, I’d need another CRB check done for that one. If you are, say, an OFSTED inspector, or a peripatetic music teacher, or even a supply teacher, you’d need a CRB check for every school you visit. At £25 a shot, this is an expensive game.

The idea of a “one for all” CRB check makes more sense, but the people who dreamed them up didn’t think about this. :roll:

TBH an Ofsted inspector will not be left unattended with the kids anyway. A supply teacher could be covered by a county wide scheme, so meaning that the schools will not get hit by the fee every time they appoint a supply teacher. It does seem that the system was badly thought out.

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