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David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism.

At a security conference in Munich, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism.

He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism.

The speech angered some Muslim groups, while others queried its timing amid an English Defence League rally in the UK.

As Mr Cameron outlined his vision, he suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups which get public money but do little to tackle extremism.

Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued.

"Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said.
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"Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?

"These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he added.

The Labour MP for Luton South, Gavin Shuker, asked if it was wise for Mr Cameron to make the speech on the same day the English Defence League staged a major protest.

Luton Labour MEP Richard Howitt, a keynote speaker at the counter-rally to the EDL demo in Luton, added: "The attack on multiculturalism surrenders to the far-right ideology that moderate and fundamentalist ideas cannot be distinguished from each other, and actually undermines respect and co-operation between peoples of different faith.

"The phrase 'muscular liberalism' in particular sadly endorses the climate of threat, fear and violence which is present on the streets of Luton today."

In a joint statement, Luton council and Bedfordshire police said a "tiny handful" of people from various backgrounds had a message of hate, but the majority in Luton lived in harmony and were not "cut off" from each other.

Meanwhile, the Muslim Council of Britain's assistant secretary general, Dr Faisal Hanjra, described Mr Cameron's speech as "disappointing".

He told Radio 4's Today programme: "We were hoping that with a new government, with a new coalition that there'd be a change in emphasis in terms of counter-terrorism and dealing with the problem at hand.

"In terms of the approach to tackling terrorism though it doesn't seem to be particularly new.

"Again it just seems the Muslim community is very much in the spotlight, being treated as part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution."

In the speech, Mr Cameron drew a clear distinction between Islam the religion and what he described as "Islamist extremism" - a political ideology he said attracted people who feel "rootless" within their own countries.

"We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing," he said.

The government is currently reviewing its policy to prevent violent extremism, known as Prevent, which is a key part of its wider counter-terrorism strategy.

A genuinely liberal country "believes in certain values and actively promotes them", Mr Cameron said.

"Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights, regardless of race, sex or sexuality.

"It says to its citizens: This is what defines us as a society. To belong here is to believe these things."

He said under the "doctrine of state multiculturalism", different cultures have been encouraged to live separate lives.
'I am a Londoner too'

"We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values."

Building a stronger sense of national and local identity holds "the key to achieving true cohesion" by allowing people to say "I am a Muslim, I am a Hindu, I am a Christian, but I am a Londoner... too", he said.

Security minister Baroness Neville-Jones said when Mr Cameron expressed his opposition to extremism, he meant all forms, not just Islamist extremism.

"There's a widespread feeling in the country that we're less united behind values than we need to be," she told Today.

"There are things the government can do to give a lead and encourage participation in society, including all minorities."

But the Islamic Society of Britain's Ajmal Masroor said the prime minister did not appreciate the nature of the problem.

"I think he's confusing a couple of issues: national identity and multiculturalism along with extremism are not connected. Extremism comes about as a result of several other factors," he told BBC Radio 5 live.

Former home secretary David Blunkett said while it was right the government promoted national identity, it had undermined its own policy by threatening to withdraw citizenship lessons from schools.

He accused Education Secretary Michael Gove of threatening to remove the subject from the national curriculum of secondary schools in England at a time "we've never needed it more".

"It's time the right hand knew what the far-right hand is doing," he said.

"In fact, it's time that the government were able to articulate one policy without immediately undermining it with another."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

He's painting with broad strokes there, especially considering his EU friends...

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its a bit hard to get any type multiculturalism when extremists (of any and all kinds) are preaching there own form of anti-multiculturalism ...

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This is Cameron's "society does not exist" equivalent. I expect no less* from a Right- wing politician in a climate where mainstream politics has drifted uncomfortably to the right.

* Irinically, my iPad auto correct changed the word "less" to "Kessler". Secret Army fans my smile to themselves.

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This is Cameron's "society does not exist" equivalent. I expect no less* from a Right- wing politician in a climate where mainstream politics has drifted uncomfortably to the right.
* Ironically, my iPad auto correct changed the word "less" to "Kessler". Secret Army fans my smile to themselves.

Hah, I remember that show. The show that spawned 'Allo 'Allo, a show with enough national stereotyping to make a Top Gear presenter think twice...

As for Cameron's statement, I found it oddly anti-Conservative. Your Tories have always been very much in favour of 'small government'. The phrase he used, something about 'if you stick to the law, we will leave you alone to get on with what you're doing' is pretty much Conservative mantra. Yet here we are with a Tory PM basically saying we're going to look at what you do and, even if it's legal, if we don't like it we're going to try whatever we can to make you stop doing it. That's a very interventionist attitude for a Tory to take.

Not that it will get anywhere of course - it's just another policy idea that will disappear under an enormous pile of legal wrangling and beauracracy.

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Welcome to Britain, from now on you eat bangers and mash for tea, otherwise you have to leave.


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Welcome to Britain, from now on you eat bangers and mash for tea, otherwise you have to leave.

But I don't like bangers and mash; and I'm English. :cry:

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Welcome to Britain, from now on you eat bangers and mash for tea, otherwise you have to leave.


No. You have jam and scones for tea. You have bangers and mash for dinner.

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ShockWaffle wrote:
Welcome to Britain, from now on you eat bangers and mash for tea, otherwise you have to leave.


No. You have jam and scones for tea. You have bangers and mash for dinner.


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paulzolo wrote:
This is Cameron's "society does not exist" equivalent. I expect no less* from a Right- wing politician in a climate where mainstream politics has drifted uncomfortably to the right.

They are still way out to the right. The fact that the liberal leadership have leapfrogged New Labour means that even if Ed Milliband takes Labour back towards the centre it means that they are back as a left wing party compared to the others.

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paulzolo wrote:
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Welcome to Britain, from now on you eat bangers and mash for tea, otherwise you have to leave.


No. You have jam and scones for tea. You have bangers and mash for dinner.

Only if you're a southern shandy.

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Only if you're a southern shandy.


It's all dripping sandwiches north of Devon, isn't it?

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paulzolo wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
Welcome to Britain, from now on you eat bangers and mash for tea, otherwise you have to leave.


No. You have jam and scones for tea. You have bangers and mash for dinner.

Only if you're a southern shandy.

I live in the "sawf" and it's always been "tea" in my house, but then my mum is a geordie ;)

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paulzolo wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
Welcome to Britain, from now on you eat bangers and mash for tea, otherwise you have to leave.


No. You have jam and scones for tea. You have bangers and mash for dinner.

Well I can live with that. Now can Bratty? ;)

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