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Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:35 pm ]
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I am genuinely surprised that no one here has picked up on this, as it’s potentially MASSIVE.

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Are there traces of ancient bacteria trapped inside meteorites that fell to Earth decades ago? You can add that question to the list of unresolved issues surrounding the search for life beyond Earth, thanks to a just-published study by a NASA researcher.

The new study, published in the Journal of Cosmology, focuses on structures that look like the filaments that biologists typically see on micro-organisms known as cyanobacteria. Richard Hoover, an astrobiologist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama, found the filamentary structures inside samples of meteorites that are thought to date back to the solar system's beginnings, more than 4 billion years ago.

If the structures are confirmed to be of biological but unearthly origin, that would serve as fresh evidence that life can make its way through outer space and "seed" planets, including our own, Hoover told me today.


Caution and scepticism is being urged, and rightly so, but if true, this could paint a very different picture about how life on this planet originated. Obviously, this needs proper and rigerous peer review.

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... irs-debate

Author:  Spreadie [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:55 pm ]
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So, it's possible that the Earth was seeded by meteorites?

That'll upset the god-botherers.

Author:  adidan [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:59 pm ]
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Cool. I always thought it was a pretty widespread theory that life was triggered by something smashing into us.

Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:33 pm ]
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adidan wrote:
Cool. I always thought it was a pretty widespread theory that life was triggered by something smashing into us.


If the results are checked out and found to be true, then the theory will be regarded as fact.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:35 pm ]
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Spreadie wrote:
So, it's possible that the Earth was seeded by meteorites?

That'll upset the god-botherers.


Even the Catholic church is open to the idea that life is abundant in the Universe, so it shouldn't really. They're even on board with offering baptism to ETs.

Author:  Spreadie [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:27 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
Even the Catholic church is open to the idea that life is abundant in the Universe, so it shouldn't really. They're even on board with offering baptism to ETs.

Yeah, they'll sell their souls to increase their flock. :D

Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:12 am ]
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Spreadie wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
Even the Catholic church is open to the idea that life is abundant in the Universe, so it shouldn't really. They're even on board with offering baptism to ETs.

Yeah, they'll sell their souls to increase their flock. :D


I would really, really love to see anyone try to explain our planet’s religious views to aliens, given the way we, as a species, generally treat each other on a day to day basis.

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:43 am ]
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paulzolo wrote:
Spreadie wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
Even the Catholic church is open to the idea that life is abundant in the Universe, so it shouldn't really. They're even on board with offering baptism to ETs.

Yeah, they'll sell their souls to increase their flock. :D


I would really, really love to see anyone try to explain our planet’s religious views to aliens, given the way we, as a species, generally treat each other on a day to day basis.


Thats easy..
As a whole we believe in loving our neighbour and a peaceful benign God. Where we respect each other and killing is wrong.
but if someone disagrees with us we reserve the right to bomb, kill, maim, totally destroy them or allow them to die from starvation, disease or be abused by a totally corrupt and evil leadership.
Oh and you as an alien have no soul as your not made in gods image so we can do what we like with you.. which explains why you are on what is called an operating table and you are about to meet mr scapel.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:55 am ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
Oh and you as an alien have no soul as your not made in gods image so we can do what we like with you.. which explains why you are on what is called an operating table and you are about to meet mr scapel.


Just for a moment, let's take a look at the Catholic Church's position on the creation of the Universe, and any potential alien life therein -

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Vatican City, May 13, 2008 / 01:59 pm (CNA).- The Director of the Vatican's Observatory, Fr. José Gabriel Funes, said in an interview with the Vatican daily, L'Osservatore Romano, that believing in the possible existence of extraterrestrial life is not opposed to Catholic doctrine.

The 45-year-old Argentinean priest heads the Vatican Observatory, founded by Pope Leo XIII with offices at Castelgandolfo, near the Apostolic summer palace, and another in Tucson, Arizona. Fr. Funes has been in charge of the Observatory since August 2006.

The astronomer began the interview titled, "The Alien is my Brother," by saying that, "Astronomy has a profound human value. It is a science that opens the heart and the mind. It helps us to put our lives, our hopes, our problems in the right perspective. In this regard, and here I speak as a priest and a Jesuit, it is an apostolic instrument that can bring us closer to God", said Fr. Funes in the interview.

Regarding the beginning of the universe, Fr. Funes says that he personally believes that the "big bang" theory seems to him the most plausible, and that it does not contradict the Bible. "We cannot ask the Bible for a scientific answer here. At the same time, we don't know if in a near future the 'Big Bang' theory will be superseded by a more complete and precise explanation of the origin of the universe."

When he was asked about the possibility of extraterrestrial life, the Director of the Vatican Observatory responded that "it is possible, even if until now, we have no proof. But certainly in such a big universe this hypothesis cannot be excluded."

Asked is he sees a contradiction between the Catholic faith and believing in aliens, he said, "I think there isn't (a contradiction). Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures over the earth, so there could be other beings, even intelligent (beings), created by God. This is not in contradiction with our faith, because we cannot establish limits to God's creative freedom. To say it with St. Francis, if we can consider some earthly creatures as 'brothers' or 'sisters', why could we not speak of a 'brother alien'? He would also belong to the creation."

Fr. Funes says that taking the image of the lost sheep in the Gospel, "we could think that in this universe there can be 100 sheep, equivalent to different kinds of creatures. We, belonging to human kind could be precisely the lost sheep, the sinners that need the shepherd. God became man in Jesus to save us. In that way, assuming that there would be other intelligent beings, we could not say that they need redemption . They could have remained in full friendship with the Creator."

"But if they were sinners?" L'Osservatore's journalist asks.

"Jesus became man once and for all. The Incarnation is a single and unique event. So I am sure that also they, in some way, would have the chance to enjoy God's mercy, just as it has happened with us human beings."


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/believing_in_aliens_not_opposed_to_christianity_vaticans_top_astronomer_says/

So, according to this fella, not only are aliens perfectly acceptable in the church, they may actually be closer to God than we are. You'll also note a far more sensible to the creation of Life, The Universe and Everything than some.
Of course, once you're into the backwoods of faith, and talking with people who believe the world is 4,000 years old - well I personally find these people as unpalatable as Richard Dawkins.

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:34 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
So, according to this fella, not only are aliens perfectly acceptable in the church, they may actually be closer to God than we are. You'll also note a far more sensible to the creation of Life, The Universe and Everything than some.

But as he is not talking "ex cathedra" (IIRC) he may be wrong.

Its an answer you will only get when you die, then its too late. Unless of course re-incarnation is a fact then you have many chances to get it right :lol:

But as the one of the most advanced life form is the mouse. We'll be buggered when they see our research labs around the world!!!!

Author:  adidan [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:15 pm ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
So, according to this fella, not only are aliens perfectly acceptable in the church, they may actually be closer to God than we are.

Oh, they're no doubt frakkin' Angels.

Mind you Lucifer was an Angel at one point, "god's" favourite Angel....

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