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Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  2011 Spring budget

1p off fuel duty from 6pm tonight
Fuel duty escalator cancelled for this parliament
'fair fuel stabiliser' to be introduced
Oil companies to pay extra tax on profits when oil price above $75 a barrel
Personal tax allowance up to £8105 April 2012
Corporation tax done by 2% April 2011
10% reduction in inheritance tax if part of the estate goes to charity
Shared equity scheme to help first time buyers
2011 Growth forecast revised fro 2.1% down to 1.7%

Author:  JohnSheridan [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

jonbwfc wrote:
2011 Growth forecast revised fro 2.1% down to 1.7%


Think that is still wildly optimistic :roll: be lucky if it is 0.7%

Author:  Linux_User [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

Ed Miliband's response was fairly flat, save for this:

Quote:
He's [Osborne] Norman Lamont with an iPod.


Which made me laugh. :lol:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

JohnSheridan wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
2011 Growth forecast revised fro 2.1% down to 1.7%


Think that is still wildly optimistic :roll: be lucky if it is 0.7%

I agree, I suspect that we could officially be back in recession for the first three months.

Author:  adidan [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

Tories full of crap again and the LibDems staying very quiet.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

adidan wrote:
Tories full of crap again and the LibDems staying very quiet.

The increase to basic allowance was one of their policies, so they're crowing about how they're getting their manifesto pledges through as part of the coalition. Every student, lecturer and University employee in Britain is giving them 'a hard stare'.

Jon

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

jonbwfc wrote:
adidan wrote:
Tories full of crap again and the LibDems staying very quiet.

The increase to basic allowance was one of their policies, so they're crowing about how they're getting their manifesto pledges through as part of the coalition. Every student, lecturer and University employee in Britain is giving them 'a hard stare'.

Jon

Longer term the personal allowances changes are good but the problem is that if you do not have a job you do not benefit. Also by linking the increases to CPI the long term impacts will be that you pay even more as allowances rise slower than your real rate of inflation. Fiscal drag in other words.

Author:  jonlumb [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

Amnesia10 wrote:
Longer term the personal allowances changes are good but the problem is that if you do not have a job you do not benefit.


I'm failing to see any problem at all with that.

Author:  Fogmeister [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

jonbwfc wrote:
1p off fuel duty from 6pm tonight

I don't see the point in that?

In the past week the price (in Leeds) has gone up by about 4p a litre.

What good is it taking off 1p a litre?

That saves me about 70p a month. Woop de doo.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

Amnesia10 wrote:
Longer term the personal allowances changes are good but the problem is that if you do not have a job you do not benefit.

Apart from all the benefits you already get when you haven't got a job you mean? Colour me less than sympathetic.

Jon

Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

Fogmeister wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
1p off fuel duty from 6pm tonight

I don't see the point in that?

It makes for a nice headline.

Fogmeister wrote:
In the past week the price (in Leeds) has gone up by about 4p a litre.
What good is it taking off 1p a litre?
That saves me about 70p a month. Woop de doo.

As Paul (I think) tweeted - 'Good news, fuel prices reduced to the level of last week'. It'll save me about 1.50 a month, which frankly I won't even notice. Even assuming the high rate on inflation doesn't swallow that meagre sum elsewhere in a month or two.

Jon

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

jonlumb wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Longer term the personal allowances changes are good but the problem is that if you do not have a job you do not benefit.


I'm failing to see any problem at all with that.

I can understand to an extent but if you become become unemployed you are not protected against the cost of living increases. So many think that kicking the poor is acceptable because it will never happen to them. It is as moronic as voting for tax cuts for the super rich in the vain hope that you will be there one day.

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

Amnesia10 wrote:
I can understand to an extent but if you become become unemployed you are not protected against the coast of living increases.
you could get a job? Though I would worry about those coast of livng increases, do they lap up your spare money or is it a tidal affect that really washes you out?

Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

Amnesia10 wrote:
I can understand to an extent but if you become become unemployed you are not protected against the cost of living increases.

Um. I haven't had an actual pay rise in five years. I'm not protected against the cost of living increases either, and nobody is giving me a wodge of money just for existing.

Quote:
So many think that kicking the poor is acceptable because it will never happen to them.

This is in no sense 'kicking the poor'. It will mean several (probably tens) of thousands of low paid people stop paying any income tax at all. It will give everyone on minimum wage extra money in their pocket.. It's being financed by lowering the threshold for the 50% income tax bracket. It's the exact opposite of 'kicking the poor'.

Amnesia10 wrote:
It is as moronic as voting for tax cuts for the super rich in the vain hope that you will be there one day.

It's being paid for by a tax rise for the super rich. Jesus, look, I'm no friend of the Tories but you're just wrong about this. In a pretty major way. The only thing that's 'moronic' about this is you contorting a tax break for the poor into an attack on the unemployed.

If you want to knock the Tory tax policies, try starting with them dropping corporate taxation by 2% for no good reason at all.

Jon

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2011 Spring budget

jonbwfc wrote:
As Paul (I think) tweeted - 'Good news, fuel prices reduced to the level of last week'.


That was me :-)

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