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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Shortage of RAF pilots for Libya as defence budget cuts bite

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -bite.html

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Since the conflict began, a squadron of 18 RAF Typhoon pilots has enforced the Libya no-fly zone from an air base in southern Italy. However, a shortage of qualified fighter pilots means the RAF may not have enough to replace all of them when the squadron has to rotate in a few weeks.
The situation is so serious that the RAF has halted the teaching of trainee Typhoon pilots so instructors can be drafted on to the front line, according to air force sources. The handful of pilots used for air shows will also be withdrawn from displays this summer.
The shortage has arisen because cuts to the defence budget over the past decade have limited the number of pilots who have been trained to fly the new Typhoon.
There are also fewer newly qualified pilots coming through after the RAF was forced to cut a quarter of its trainee places due to cuts announced in last year’s Strategic Defence and Security Review.

Author:  steve74 [ Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:55 pm ]
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Can anyone explain why the UK is playing such a large part in this UN resolution anyway, when there are far bigger countries with better resources that are either scaling down their activity after the initial strikes (USA, for example) or not committing much in the way of manpower in the first place. Why does it always seem to be down to the UK to shoulder the main responsibility, we're hardly in the best shape ourselves financially, are we?

Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:03 pm ]
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steve74 wrote:
Can anyone explain why the UK is playing such a large part in this UN resolution anyway, when there are far bigger countries with better resources that are either scaling down their activity after the initial strikes (USA, for example) or not committing much in the way of manpower in the first place. Why does it always seem to be down to the UK to shoulder the main responsibility, we're hardly in the best shape ourselves financially, are we?

I get the impression that the French are doing a lot more than we are. There are also other NATO countries stepping into the fold, and Canada has been involved from the start.

The USA, AFAIK, is stepping back for political reasons.

It is right, IMO, that we step in to save human lives. And TBH I wish we were taking a harder line with Bahrain and Saudi Arabia to stop the murder of civilians there too.

Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:12 pm ]
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steve74 wrote:
Can anyone explain why the UK is playing such a large part in this UN resolution anyway, when there are far bigger countries with better resources that are either scaling down their activity after the initial strikes (USA, for example) or not committing much in the way of manpower in the first place. Why does it always seem to be down to the UK to shoulder the main responsibility, we're hardly in the best shape ourselves financially, are we?


Historically, we are involved deeply in the Middle East and Africa. We created situations in the past, tried to rectify it, cocked it up again and so on. The wheel turns, and once again, we’re in an oil-soaked desert sorting out the natives. In 10 years time, we’ll find the need to return.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:59 pm ]
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steve74 wrote:
Can anyone explain why the UK is playing such a large part in this UN resolution anyway, when there are far bigger countries with better resources that are either scaling down their activity after the initial strikes (USA, for example) or not committing much in the way of manpower in the first place. Why does it always seem to be down to the UK to shoulder the main responsibility, we're hardly in the best shape ourselves financially, are we?

From what I have read the French are doing a lot more than we are. We might have a few ships in the area and a few flights but that is pretty much it.

Author:  adidan [ Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:35 am ]
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steve74 wrote:
Can anyone explain why the UK is playing such a large part in this UN resolution anyway, when there are far bigger countries with better resources that are either scaling down their activity after the initial strikes (USA, for example) or not committing much in the way of manpower in the first place. Why does it always seem to be down to the UK to shoulder the main responsibility, we're hardly in the best shape ourselves financially, are we?

The Italians should do more seeing as they created the country, but then they do get a lot of their oil and gas from Libya so it's a tricky situation for them.

As has been said the US aren't so involved for political reasons and for the long term good, seeing the US heavily involved in another Arab State will not be a good thing. What larger countries are there though aside Russia and China? They abstained in the resolution so they won't take part.

Another reason the UK is involved is because of geography, we can help out there.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:40 am ]
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we need to fund are defence budget
not for policing the world but for our own defence

this needs a serious review and upgrading of the defence budget at this time ...

Author:  HeatherKay [ Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:45 am ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
this needs a serious review and upgrading of the defence budget at this time ...


It's also time to consider whether we really can sustain, or even need, three separate parts to our defence forces.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:10 am ]
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HeatherKay wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
this needs a serious review and upgrading of the defence budget at this time ...


It's also time to consider whether we really can sustain, or even need, three separate parts to our defence forces.


agreed
a fully armed and equipped 'mobile' force(s) of all the 'armed forces' is needed ...

Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:39 am ]
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HeatherKay wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
this needs a serious review and upgrading of the defence budget at this time ...


It's also time to consider whether we really can sustain, or even need, three separate parts to our defence forces.


We also need to consider that we don’t have an empire any more, can’t sustain long protracted campaigns abroad and accept that as of now, we are a small European state on the verge of mediocrity. The sooner we can do that, the sooner we can scale stuff back, and tell the USA, who seems to expect us to commit to any idiocy they want to undertake, to take a hike.

Author:  mikepgood [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:10 pm ]
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Anyone think we may have been hasty to sell of the aircraft carriers and scrap the harriers?

Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:35 pm ]
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mikepgood wrote:
Anyone think we may have been hasty to sell of the aircraft carriers and scrap the harriers?

Look in you wallet, does your driving license say 'David Cameron'? If not, then the answer is 'yes'.

Jon

Author:  snowyweston [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:03 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
we are a small European state on the verge of mediocrity.
I'm sorry but the present financial situation, and all the gloomy predictions of what might lie ahead because of it, will never make Great Britain a mediocre nation.

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