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Icelanders have rejected the latest plan to repay the UK and Netherlands some 4bn euros lost when the country's banking system collapsed in 2008.

Partial referendum results show 58% voting no, and 42% supporting the plan.

Johanna Sigurdardottir, Iceland's Prime Minister, said the rejection meant "the worst option was chosen".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13022524

It's not his fault, but I remember Martin Lewis suggesting that was the place to save :oops:

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Yes but I think that Iceland are being blackmailed into accepoting this deal. It is the british government passing the buck for failing to regulate the bank that was on our shore. I hope that all the periphery countries default on their debts. Iceland and Ireland were minnows compared to their bank debts. No way should ordinary people pick up the tabs for failed banks.

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No way should ordinary people pick up the tabs for failed banks.

So Iceland won't pay and it is a good news for you? That money will have to be paid by somebody and right now it seems that the British public will pick up the bill.

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Looks like the Icelandics have just [LIFTED] themselves.

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I believe the decision was taken to "save " Iceland as if we hadn't it was thought there would have been a total meltdown of the worlds fiscal system.

Iceland will pay us back its just an argument about how and when.

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UK and Netherlands to sue Iceland over lost deposits

The UK and Dutch governments are preparing court action against Iceland to recover 4bn euros (£3.5bn) lost when the country's bank system collapsed.

It follows a referendum in Iceland which rejected a repayment plan.

The UK said it was "disappointed" by the "no" vote, while the Dutch finance minister said the time for negotiations was "over".

Iceland's Finance Minister Steingrimur Sigfusson said that resolving the row in court would take at least a year.

The UK and the Netherlands say they are owed the money following the collapse of Icelandic savings bank Icesave. British and Dutch depositors were bailed out by their governments, which are now demanding their money back.

Iceland held a referendum at the weekend on a repayment plan, but with about 90% of the vote counted, 59.1% were against and 40.9% in favour.

Johanna Sigurdardottir, Iceland's Prime Minister, said the rejection meant "the worst option was chosen" and had split the country in two.

UK Treasury minister Danny Alexander said the decision was "disappointing" and the matter would go to an international court.

Dutch Finance Minister Jan Kees de Jager said he would be consulting Britain about taking further steps against Iceland, but added that the matter would likely end up in court.

"I am very disappointed that the Icesave agreement did not get through. This is not good for Iceland, nor for the Netherlands.

"The time for negotiations is over. Iceland remains obliged to repay. The issue is now for the courts to decide," Mr de Jager said in a statement.

The issue will now be referred to an international court, the European Free Trade Association Surveillance Authority.

Iceland's Finance Minister Steingrimur Sigfusson told a news conference that the dispute with Britain and the Netherlands would take at least a year to resolve in court.

"My estimate is that the process will take a year, a year and a half at least," he said. However, some analysts believe the legal process would take considerably longer.

Iceland's Landsbanki bank ran savings accounts in the UK and Netherlands under the name Icesave and investors there lost 4bn euros (£3.5bn; $5.8bn).

When it collapsed in 2008, the British and Dutch governments had to reimburse 400,000 citizens - and Iceland had to decide how to repay that money.

Mr Alexander, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, said on the Andrew Marr programme: "It's obviously disappointing... We tried to get a negotiated settlement.

"We have an obligation to get that money back, and we will continue to pursue that until we do... We have a difficult financial position as a country and this money would help," he said.

He added: "We have a very clear outcome of the vote. The bill was rejected by a clear majority so we proceed in accordance to that. I think it's very hard to interpret this in any other way than the fact that the Icelandic people are not prepared to accept payments or shoulder the burden unless there is a clear legal obligation to do so."

'Such a revulsion'

Iceland's parliament had backed the deal, but President Olafur Ragnar Grimsson refused to sign it, triggering the referendum.
A previous deal, imposing a tougher repayment regime, was rejected in a March 2010 referendum by 93% of voters.

Finance Minister Steingrimur Sigfusson appeared to rule out a third attempt to persuade voters to accept a repayment deal.

"I think we're getting a very clear sign from this referendum, that further negotiations are ruled out. No use in trying that again."

Backers of a "yes" vote had argued the repayment deal was the best way to resolve the issue in terms of cost and risk to Iceland.

The "no" camp said the Icelandic taxpayer was under no legal obligation to pay for a private bank's losses and that the deal would put a heavy burden on the nation.

Longer period, lower interest

Under the terms of the rejected deal, Iceland would have paid the money back with 3.3% interest to the UK, and 3% to the Netherlands, over 30 years between 2016 and 2046.

Under the previous proposal, the money was to be paid back with 5.5% interest between 2016 and 2024.

The actual cost to the state was expected to be much less than the 4bn euros owed, as the government said most of the repayment would come from selling the assets of Landsbanki.

The government has said it did not expect the cost to exceed 50bn kronur (£168m).

Analysts say a resolution of the issue is vital to Iceland's prospects for recovery because it would allow the country to return to the financial markets to fund itself.

Solving the dispute is also seen as key to Iceland's chances of joining the EU.

Iceland's three main banks collapsed within days of each other in October 2008.

The government compensated Icelandic savers, but overseas customers faced losing all of their money.

The issue sparked a diplomatic row between Iceland and the UK, and created uncertainty over Iceland's economic recovery.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13029210

I expect Anglo-Icelandic relations will be strained for a while...

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No way should ordinary people pick up the tabs for failed banks.

So Iceland won't pay and it is a good news for you? That money will have to be paid by somebody and right now it seems that the British public will pick up the bill.

Why should tax payers pay for banks mistakes? Don't forget that our govenrments have also been bailed to the sum of £46 billion by the Irish taxpayers. We should allow the banks to collapse and nationalise the high street operations and over time privatioe them. The directors should be prosecuted for fraud and disqualified for life from any directorships and that includes Tony Blair as director of JP Morgan.

Who should pick up the tab? People who lent to these organisations. If there is insufficient backing then the regualtors should pick up the tab. Those since thse banks were operating in the UK the UK government. If a bank operates here it should be regulated by our regulators not some tiny regulator overseas.

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Yes but I think that Iceland are being blackmailed into accepoting this deal. It is the british government passing the buck for failing to regulate the bank that was on our shore. I hope that all the periphery countries default on their debts. Iceland and Ireland were minnows compared to their bank debts. No way should ordinary people pick up the tabs for failed banks.

+1 the Icelandic people shouldn't have to pay for other people's greed and stupidity...

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Yes but I think that Iceland are being blackmailed into accepoting this deal. It is the british government passing the buck for failing to regulate the bank that was on our shore. I hope that all the periphery countries default on their debts. Iceland and Ireland were minnows compared to their bank debts. No way should ordinary people pick up the tabs for failed banks.

+1 the Icelandic people shouldn't have to pay for other people's greed and stupidity...

It's a fairly spurious notion that anyone who isn't directly involved 'deserves' to pay for it, but the fact is it's effectively impossible to make *just* the people who are directly responsible pay. The people who were directly responsible, although very rich, have only a small fraction of the resources required. Beyond a handful of individuals in the world, only countries have the kind of money we're talking about.

The bare fact is though we've got beyond that. The Icelandic government entered into an agreement to repay the debt, which it is now going back on. If we follow the notion of representative democracy, the Icelandic people are responsible, because the people they chose to represent them made the deal on their behalf. The time to have the referendum was before the deal was signed, not when the bill comes to be paid. At some point in the past it was reasonable to say the Icelandic people weren't responsible, but the basic fact is they agreed to take on that responsibility via their government. If you and your partner took out a large loan and when the bill came she wasn't around, you saying 'but it was her idea!' isn't going to get you very far with the bailiffs.

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No way should ordinary people pick up the tabs for failed banks.

So Iceland won't pay and it is a good news for you? That money will have to be paid by somebody and right now it seems that the British public will pick up the bill.

Why should tax payers pay for banks mistakes?

You haven't got a clue do you?!

Tax payers have already paid! British ones!
UK gov (YOUR gov.) has paid out money (from UK's coffers => YOUR money) to UK depositors who lost their deposits when Icelandic banks failed. Now UK gov wants to get that money back from Iceland because it was Iceland's responsibility to pay for lost deposits, not UK one's.

Iceland said they won't return money to the UK so the UK taxpayers got screwed. So YOU paid for Iceland's debt and you feel good about that. Give yourself a big pat on the shoulder...

What do you comment on something you clearly don't understand?

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And how would you feel, if it was a British bank that had caused the problems and you had to pay that money to Iceland?

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And how would you feel, if it was a British bank that had caused the problems and you had to pay that money to Iceland?


The national debt in the UK is now going to be handed onto our children because of this episode, we are having to pay so why shouldn't they ?

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And how would you feel, if it was a British bank that had caused the problems and you had to pay that money to Iceland?

It wasn't.


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And how would you feel, if it was a British bank that had caused the problems and you had to pay that money to Iceland?

It wasn't.

That wasn't what I asked... How would you feel, if the UK Government promised to pay back billions to another country, because they had invested in a private British bank?

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I do know that the banks have already been bailed out by the British tax payer. I do realise that if Ireland defaults which is probable that RBS will lose £46 Billion, and that £46 billion is effectively UK tax payers. Also Germans are upset at the bailouts but these are indirectly bail outs of the german banks. The EU core nations banks (France Germany Netherlands Belgium and German) are seriously in on the hook to the PIIGS. If they default the problems will hit Germany and France hard. That said the bailouts from the begining were a bad idea. It was a mistake by Brown to part nationalise the banks, but the bigger mistake was not to wipe out the UK bank shareholders and bond holders.

Actually that debt is not Icelands. It is the debt of the Icelandic banks who have all collapsed. If our government decide to bail out depositors then fine but that is their decision not that of the Icelandic government. Yes all these problems will come back to haunt us, because the £7 billion Cameron gave Ireland as a loan was to pass the buck back here. The banks in Ireland are insolvent and so were many of our banks. They still are insolvent. The whole BS about stop kicking the bankers is about creating a false sentiment of confidence in the banks to get some other mugs to buy shares in the banks. The coalition plan to privatise the banks as soon as possible, but will I be interested? No because fundementally the banks are still in trouble. Just pretending that they have recovered is poppycock. They are not recording the value of their assets at a true value but at a value that they deem appropriate. AIB and Allied Irish banks have been stumbling along for three years yet their losses mount, and they still have huge residential mortgages on their books at way more than they are worth. Our banks have similar problems with a large slice of their assets being incorrectly valued. We have not reformed them and so they are still like a giant iceberg with the UK economy being the Titanic, sailing through an icefield.

Much of the efforts by the government is to pass the buck, and hopefully the economy will not hit the icebergs until after the next election. I still expect a more UK bank failures, with a downgrade of the UK AAA credit rating. I also expect major collapses in German banks. We are a long way from being out of the Global Financial Crisis.

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