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Author: | pcernie [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Iceland rejects Icesave repayment deal |
Icelanders have rejected the latest plan to repay the UK and Netherlands some 4bn euros lost when the country's banking system collapsed in 2008. Partial referendum results show 58% voting no, and 42% supporting the plan. Johanna Sigurdardottir, Iceland's Prime Minister, said the rejection meant "the worst option was chosen". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13022524 It's not his fault, but I remember Martin Lewis suggesting that was the place to save ![]() |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Iceland rejects Icesave repayment deal |
Yes but I think that Iceland are being blackmailed into accepoting this deal. It is the british government passing the buck for failing to regulate the bank that was on our shore. I hope that all the periphery countries default on their debts. Iceland and Ireland were minnows compared to their bank debts. No way should ordinary people pick up the tabs for failed banks. |
Author: | koli [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:05 pm ] | |||||||||
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So Iceland won't pay and it is a good news for you? That money will have to be paid by somebody and right now it seems that the British public will pick up the bill. |
Author: | Linux_User [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Iceland rejects Icesave repayment deal |
Looks like the Icelandics have just [LIFTED] themselves. |
Author: | AlunD [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:35 pm ] |
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I believe the decision was taken to "save " Iceland as if we hadn't it was thought there would have been a total meltdown of the worlds fiscal system. Iceland will pay us back its just an argument about how and when. |
Author: | Linux_User [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:02 pm ] | |||||||||
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13029210 I expect Anglo-Icelandic relations will be strained for a while... |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:52 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Why should tax payers pay for banks mistakes? Don't forget that our govenrments have also been bailed to the sum of £46 billion by the Irish taxpayers. We should allow the banks to collapse and nationalise the high street operations and over time privatioe them. The directors should be prosecuted for fraud and disqualified for life from any directorships and that includes Tony Blair as director of JP Morgan. Who should pick up the tab? People who lent to these organisations. If there is insufficient backing then the regualtors should pick up the tab. Those since thse banks were operating in the UK the UK government. If a bank operates here it should be regulated by our regulators not some tiny regulator overseas. |
Author: | big_D [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:23 pm ] | |||||||||
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+1 the Icelandic people shouldn't have to pay for other people's greed and stupidity... |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:59 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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It's a fairly spurious notion that anyone who isn't directly involved 'deserves' to pay for it, but the fact is it's effectively impossible to make *just* the people who are directly responsible pay. The people who were directly responsible, although very rich, have only a small fraction of the resources required. Beyond a handful of individuals in the world, only countries have the kind of money we're talking about. The bare fact is though we've got beyond that. The Icelandic government entered into an agreement to repay the debt, which it is now going back on. If we follow the notion of representative democracy, the Icelandic people are responsible, because the people they chose to represent them made the deal on their behalf. The time to have the referendum was before the deal was signed, not when the bill comes to be paid. At some point in the past it was reasonable to say the Icelandic people weren't responsible, but the basic fact is they agreed to take on that responsibility via their government. If you and your partner took out a large loan and when the bill came she wasn't around, you saying 'but it was her idea!' isn't going to get you very far with the bailiffs. Jon |
Author: | koli [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:23 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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You haven't got a clue do you?! Tax payers have already paid! British ones! UK gov (YOUR gov.) has paid out money (from UK's coffers => YOUR money) to UK depositors who lost their deposits when Icelandic banks failed. Now UK gov wants to get that money back from Iceland because it was Iceland's responsibility to pay for lost deposits, not UK one's. Iceland said they won't return money to the UK so the UK taxpayers got screwed. So YOU paid for Iceland's debt and you feel good about that. Give yourself a big pat on the shoulder... What do you comment on something you clearly don't understand? |
Author: | big_D [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:40 pm ] |
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And how would you feel, if it was a British bank that had caused the problems and you had to pay that money to Iceland? |
Author: | AlunD [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:42 pm ] | |||||||||
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The national debt in the UK is now going to be handed onto our children because of this episode, we are having to pay so why shouldn't they ? |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:12 pm ] | |||||||||
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It wasn't. |
Author: | big_D [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:53 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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That wasn't what I asked... How would you feel, if the UK Government promised to pay back billions to another country, because they had invested in a private British bank? |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Iceland rejects Icesave repayment deal |
I do know that the banks have already been bailed out by the British tax payer. I do realise that if Ireland defaults which is probable that RBS will lose £46 Billion, and that £46 billion is effectively UK tax payers. Also Germans are upset at the bailouts but these are indirectly bail outs of the german banks. The EU core nations banks (France Germany Netherlands Belgium and German) are seriously in on the hook to the PIIGS. If they default the problems will hit Germany and France hard. That said the bailouts from the begining were a bad idea. It was a mistake by Brown to part nationalise the banks, but the bigger mistake was not to wipe out the UK bank shareholders and bond holders. Actually that debt is not Icelands. It is the debt of the Icelandic banks who have all collapsed. If our government decide to bail out depositors then fine but that is their decision not that of the Icelandic government. Yes all these problems will come back to haunt us, because the £7 billion Cameron gave Ireland as a loan was to pass the buck back here. The banks in Ireland are insolvent and so were many of our banks. They still are insolvent. The whole BS about stop kicking the bankers is about creating a false sentiment of confidence in the banks to get some other mugs to buy shares in the banks. The coalition plan to privatise the banks as soon as possible, but will I be interested? No because fundementally the banks are still in trouble. Just pretending that they have recovered is poppycock. They are not recording the value of their assets at a true value but at a value that they deem appropriate. AIB and Allied Irish banks have been stumbling along for three years yet their losses mount, and they still have huge residential mortgages on their books at way more than they are worth. Our banks have similar problems with a large slice of their assets being incorrectly valued. We have not reformed them and so they are still like a giant iceberg with the UK economy being the Titanic, sailing through an icefield. Much of the efforts by the government is to pass the buck, and hopefully the economy will not hit the icebergs until after the next election. I still expect a more UK bank failures, with a downgrade of the UK AAA credit rating. I also expect major collapses in German banks. We are a long way from being out of the Global Financial Crisis. |
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