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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun May 15, 2011 10:29 pm ]
Post subject:  David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... ng-it.html

Quote:
The long term future of the NHS is at risk without radical reform, David Cameron will warn today as he declares "We save the NHS by changing it".
:roll:

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Sun May 15, 2011 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

WTF.

Every Govt that has come along has f*cked with the NHS in some way. Now it's weaker than a statue supported on cocktail sticks and it's ready to collapse.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

with change there is chaos
the way to enact/evolve change is to keep the 'chaos' part

that is the only reason for continued change to and within the NHS

that way you will except what is available ...

Author:  Fogmeister [ Mon May 16, 2011 10:27 am ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
that way you will except what is available ...

Wait...

Did you mean except or accept (or even expect)?

Had to ask as it completely changes the meaning of the statement.

Author:  adidan [ Mon May 16, 2011 10:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

Tories always want to try and implement US style healthcare and yet compare ourselves to being behind Europe. Why not think for a frakkin second and look at what the Europeans are doing.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Mon May 16, 2011 11:32 am ]
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Fogmeister wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
that way you will except what is available ...

Wait...

Did you mean except or accept (or even expect)?

Had to ask as it completely changes the meaning of the statement.


i meant exactly what was stated
except = If it were not for the fact that ...

but i have no doubt that accept will be the requirement in regard to policy ...

Author:  ShockWaffle [ Mon May 16, 2011 5:04 pm ]
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adidan wrote:
Tories always want to try and implement US style healthcare and yet compare ourselves to being behind Europe. Why not think for a frakkin second and look at what the Europeans are doing.

Whoa there cowboy, GP collectivisation is clearly the work of Stalin, not Uncle Sam!

Author:  ShockWaffle [ Mon May 16, 2011 5:08 pm ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
Fogmeister wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
that way you will except what is available ...

Wait...

Did you mean except or accept (or even expect)?

Had to ask as it completely changes the meaning of the statement.


i meant exactly what was stated
except = If it were not for the fact that ...

but i have no doubt that accept will be the requirement in regard to policy ...

Do you create your posts by throwing scrabble tiles down a flight of stairs?

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon May 16, 2011 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

adidan wrote:
Tories always want to try and implement US style healthcare and yet compare ourselves to being behind Europe. Why not think for a frakkin second and look at what the Europeans are doing.

There are some well run systems in Europe. France regularly does well, even though it is more expensive.

Author:  adidan [ Mon May 16, 2011 5:34 pm ]
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ShockWaffle wrote:
Whoa there cowboy

Hope you're not getting all Brokeback on me there. :lol:

Amnesia10 wrote:
There are some well run systems in Europe. France regularly does well, even though it is more expensive.

That's the key. Higher taxes and more smokers mean that it's well funded. It's no doubt got a few people there who could teach us a thing or two, perhaps it may be good to ask them.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon May 16, 2011 5:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

Labour had the right idea regarding funding but followed the stupid ideas of league tables and loads of administrators. They could have done better to concentrate on efficiency.

Author:  tombolt [ Mon May 16, 2011 6:50 pm ]
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You also have to pay a bit in France, it's not completely free.

Author:  Fogmeister [ Mon May 16, 2011 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

MrStevenRogers wrote:
i meant exactly what was stated
except = If it were not for the fact that ...

but i have no doubt that accept will be the requirement in regard to policy ...

Coolio, just checking :D

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Mon May 16, 2011 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

Quote:
Do you create your posts by throwing scrabble tiles down a flight of stairs?


however did you guess ...

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon May 16, 2011 9:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: David Cameron: 'We save the NHS by changing it'

tombolt wrote:
You also have to pay a bit in France, it's not completely free.

No but you get reimbursed by the state. You need to keep cash which would explain why the financial crisis did not affect France as much because people had savings not debt. For that reason it could not work here. Most people have practically no money to pay even for a short period.

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