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Disabled should work for less than minimum wage, Tory MP suggests

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Philip Davies, the MP for Shipley, claimed the disabled or those with mental health problems were at a disadvantage because they could not offer to work for less money.
Relaxing the law would help some to compete more effectively for jobs in “the real world” in which they are “by definition” less productive than those without disabilities, he claimed.
The remarks stunned MPs on all sides and forced Downing Street to distance the Prime Minister from Mr Davies. Charities and equality campaigners condemned the suggestion as “outrageous”. During a Parliamentary debate, Mr Davies told MPs that the minimum wage of £5.93 per hour meant disabled people who wanted to work found the door being “closed in their face”.
“The people who are most disadvantaged by the national minimum wage are the most vulnerable in society,” he said. “My concern about it is it prevents those people from being given the opportunity to get the first rung on the employment ladder.”

This is wrong on so many levels. :oops:

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Wasn't there some kind of "back to work scheme" where the government subsidised the salary of people who'd been unemployed for more than so long? That's the best approach in my opinion, and it doesn't discriminate against any particular group of people.

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I wonder if he realised just how much he'd put his foot in his mouth when he originally said those things?

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At some point, surely even Cameron & co must get into /facepalm territory with the upper class idiots they're lumbered with.

The really horrifying thing is if they weren't in the Tory party, they'd probably all be working in the city. You think the cock up the bankers actually made was bad enough, imagine what it would have been like if the likes of Davies had been involved? We'd be huddled round camp fires in the shattered ruins of our homes as bands of maniacs roamed the highways Mad Max style.

I'll give you a 'back to work' scheme - nobody gets to be an MP unless they've had some job that doesn't involve politics or government for at least 5 years. In a company where none of your family was a director.

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Wasn't there some kind of "back to work scheme" where the government subsidised the salary of people who'd been unemployed for more than so long? That's the best approach in my opinion, and it doesn't discriminate against any particular group of people.


Well, one of them (Remploy) has been trying to get rid of staff since the beginning of the year after having previously made several thousand redundant a few years ago.
I suspect the government has cut the funding.

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At some point, surely even Cameron & co must get into /facepalm territory with the upper class idiots they're lumbered with.

The really horrifying thing is if they weren't in the Tory party, they'd probably all be working in the city. You think the cock up the bankers actually made was bad enough, imagine what it would have been like if the likes of Davies had been involved? We'd be huddled round camp fires in the shattered ruins of our homes as bands of maniacs roamed the highways Mad Max style.

I'll give you a 'back to work' scheme - nobody gets to be an MP unless they've had some job that doesn't involve politics or government for at least 5 years. In a company where none of your family was a director.

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Make it ten years, also add a salary cap. If someone earns more than a certain amount it will keep out the rich who will end up voting for tax cuts that benefit themselves. Make sure parliament is representative.

I am actually against internships for nothing. They must pay a minimum wage, you can still get rid of them within a couple of years under current legislation. So why should anyone get paid less than the minimum wage? Disabled or interns deserve to be treated better.

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Wasn't he trying to misinterpret what Mind said to him? He tried to make out this is what they were saying but they later came out and said his comments were preposterous.

Arse.

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Wasn't he trying to misinterpret what Mind said to him? He tried to make out this is what they were saying but they later came out and said his comments were preposterous.

Arse.

Well the Tories wanted to abolish the minimum wage anyway.

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I can understand where they're coming from. If you have two applicants who are similar and one is disabled, you'll probably hire the one who is able-bodied. It's discrimination but still happens.

Paying disabled people less could potentially increase the number of disabled people employed. But simultaneously, it's demeaning and derogatory and this is why that MP should get a slap in the face.

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I can understand where they're coming from. If you have two applicants who are similar and one is disabled, you'll probably hire the one who is able-bodied. It's discrimination but still happens.

It's illegal. We have the Disability Discrimination Act for a reason.

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It's illegal. We have the Disability Discrimination Act for a reason.


Absolutely. However, proving that the reason a candidate wasn't selected was because they are disabled can prove difficult if not impossible.

As I understand it, a candidate can ask (under the Data Protection Act) to see any records held about them. This includes interview notes. Unless, the interviewer wrote something along the lines of 'Don't employ, disabled' then it's going to be monumentally difficult to prove that was the reason they didn't get the job without getting a court order to see all the other applicants records to determine if the best candidate was in fact chosen. Any semi-competent HR bod or manager will be quite able to incorporate a 'legitimate' reason not to hire a disabled person versus an able-bodied one into interview notes. Without a written smoking gun or impartial witness it's going to be very hard to prove discrimination.

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cloaked_wolf wrote:
I can understand where they're coming from. If you have two applicants who are similar and one is disabled, you'll probably hire the one who is able-bodied. It's discrimination but still happens.

It's illegal. We have the Disability Discrimination Act for a reason.

It's not illegal to hire the applicant you believe will be most productive. That's exactly the criteria usually applied in the selection process.

To preferentially hire a disabled person purely because they were disabled would discriminate against able-bodied applicants, which quite obviously should be illegal.

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cloaked_wolf wrote:
I can understand where they're coming from. If you have two applicants who are similar and one is disabled, you'll probably hire the one who is able-bodied. It's discrimination but still happens.

It's illegal. We have the Disability Discrimination Act for a reason.


Yes I know that but making something illegal doesn't stop it happening, otherwise we'd have no crime in this country. That's my point.

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However, proving that the reason a candidate wasn't selected was because they are disabled can prove difficult if not impossible.

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I can understand where they're coming from. If you have two applicants who are similar and one is disabled, you'll probably hire the one who is able-bodied. It's discrimination but still happens.

Paying disabled people less could potentially increase the number of disabled people employed. But simultaneously, it's demeaning and derogatory and this is why that MP should get a slap in the face.

Yes but they can get grants for employing disabled. Also it depends what job they are offering. For a desk job a disabled person is not really any likely to be any worse than anyone else. It really depends on the disability. The probablility that they get discriminated against is high because of personal prejudices.

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The probablility that they get discriminated against is high because of personal prejudices.

+1. This needs to be stamped out.

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