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Amnesia10
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Disabled should work for less than minimum wage, Tory MP suggests http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... gests.htmlThis is wrong on so many levels. 
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JJW009
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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Wasn't there some kind of "back to work scheme" where the government subsidised the salary of people who'd been unemployed for more than so long? That's the best approach in my opinion, and it doesn't discriminate against any particular group of people.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:09 pm |
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Linux_User
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I wonder if he realised just how much he'd put his foot in his mouth when he originally said those things?
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:14 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
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At some point, surely even Cameron & co must get into /facepalm territory with the upper class idiots they're lumbered with.
The really horrifying thing is if they weren't in the Tory party, they'd probably all be working in the city. You think the cock up the bankers actually made was bad enough, imagine what it would have been like if the likes of Davies had been involved? We'd be huddled round camp fires in the shattered ruins of our homes as bands of maniacs roamed the highways Mad Max style.
I'll give you a 'back to work' scheme - nobody gets to be an MP unless they've had some job that doesn't involve politics or government for at least 5 years. In a company where none of your family was a director.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:14 pm |
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davrosG5
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Well, one of them (Remploy) has been trying to get rid of staff since the beginning of the year after having previously made several thousand redundant a few years ago. I suspect the government has cut the funding.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:33 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Make it ten years, also add a salary cap. If someone earns more than a certain amount it will keep out the rich who will end up voting for tax cuts that benefit themselves. Make sure parliament is representative. I am actually against internships for nothing. They must pay a minimum wage, you can still get rid of them within a couple of years under current legislation. So why should anyone get paid less than the minimum wage? Disabled or interns deserve to be treated better.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:40 pm |
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adidan
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Wasn't he trying to misinterpret what Mind said to him? He tried to make out this is what they were saying but they later came out and said his comments were preposterous.
Arse.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:02 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Well the Tories wanted to abolish the minimum wage anyway.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:59 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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I can understand where they're coming from. If you have two applicants who are similar and one is disabled, you'll probably hire the one who is able-bodied. It's discrimination but still happens.
Paying disabled people less could potentially increase the number of disabled people employed. But simultaneously, it's demeaning and derogatory and this is why that MP should get a slap in the face.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:16 pm |
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Linux_User
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It's illegal. We have the Disability Discrimination Act for a reason.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:20 pm |
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davrosG5
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Absolutely. However, proving that the reason a candidate wasn't selected was because they are disabled can prove difficult if not impossible. As I understand it, a candidate can ask (under the Data Protection Act) to see any records held about them. This includes interview notes. Unless, the interviewer wrote something along the lines of 'Don't employ, disabled' then it's going to be monumentally difficult to prove that was the reason they didn't get the job without getting a court order to see all the other applicants records to determine if the best candidate was in fact chosen. Any semi-competent HR bod or manager will be quite able to incorporate a 'legitimate' reason not to hire a disabled person versus an able-bodied one into interview notes. Without a written smoking gun or impartial witness it's going to be very hard to prove discrimination.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:36 pm |
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JJW009
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It's not illegal to hire the applicant you believe will be most productive. That's exactly the criteria usually applied in the selection process. To preferentially hire a disabled person purely because they were disabled would discriminate against able-bodied applicants, which quite obviously should be illegal.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:38 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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Yes I know that but making something illegal doesn't stop it happening, otherwise we'd have no crime in this country. That's my point. +1.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:56 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but they can get grants for employing disabled. Also it depends what job they are offering. For a desk job a disabled person is not really any likely to be any worse than anyone else. It really depends on the disability. The probablility that they get discriminated against is high because of personal prejudices.
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Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:14 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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+1. This needs to be stamped out.
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