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Author:  dogbert10 [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:50 am ]
Post subject:  Sort your own house out first....

The EU is at it again:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ssels.html


I'd tell them to **** off - they're hardly in a position to offer "advice" considering the mess the Eurozone is in.

Author:  Spreadie [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sort your own house out first....

I'm no Euro fan, but is this kind of oversight really a bad thing? Shouldn't we have some kind of stricture on their increasingly cock-sure approach to deficit reduction?
Quote:
Bill Cash, the chairman of the House of Commons scrutiny committee, warned that MPs would insist that British ministers were only answerable to them and the public.

Yeah, they're answerable to the public once in every five years. After which, they swan about doing whatever the f**k they like.
Quote:
"It would be humiliating and degrading for any British Treasury ministers to be exposed to this demand."

Yes, we must spare them a few blushes and those awkward uncomfortable moments where they are made to feel accountable. :evil:

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sort your own house out first....

Spreadie wrote:
I'm no Euro fan, but is this kind of oversight really a bad thing? Shouldn't we have some kind of stricture on their increasingly cock-sure approach to deficit reduction?
Quote:
Bill Cash, the chairman of the House of Commons scrutiny committee, warned that MPs would insist that British ministers were only answerable to them and the public.

Yeah, they're answerable to the public once in every five years. After which, they swan about doing whatever the f**k they like.
so just like the MEPs, so why have an extra level of oversight and thus even more cost? People have at least had a vote on what the UK parties have said they would do about the economy. To have every MEP from other countries then to have their say, who are not answerable to the electorate they are making decisions about.

Spreadie wrote:
Quote:
"It would be humiliating and degrading for any British Treasury ministers to be exposed to this demand."

Yes, we must spare them a few blushes and those awkward uncomfortable moments where they are made to feel accountable. :evil:
We should be making them more accountable to the UK electorate not the EU parliament.

Author:  HeatherKay [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sort your own house out first....

bobbdobbs wrote:
We should be making them more accountable to the UK electorate not the EU parliament.


We had a chance to begin that process in May. We said "no". :roll:

Author:  Spreadie [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sort your own house out first....

bobbdobbs wrote:
Spreadie wrote:
I'm no Euro fan, but is this kind of oversight really a bad thing? Shouldn't we have some kind of stricture on their increasingly cock-sure approach to deficit reduction?
Quote:
Bill Cash, the chairman of the House of Commons scrutiny committee, warned that MPs would insist that British ministers were only answerable to them and the public.

Yeah, they're answerable to the public once in every five years. After which, they swan about doing whatever the f**k they like.
so just like the MEPs, so why have an extra level of oversight and thus even more cost? People have at least had a vote on what the UK parties have said they would do about the economy. To have every MEP from other countries then to have their say, who are not answerable to the electorate they are making decisions about.

We already have MEPs, so we're already bearing the cost.

bobbdobbs wrote:
Spreadie wrote:
Quote:
"It would be humiliating and degrading for any British Treasury ministers to be exposed to this demand."

Yes, we must spare them a few blushes and those awkward uncomfortable moments where they are made to feel accountable. :evil:
We should be making them more accountable to the UK electorate not the EU parliament.

I agree, but it's something that would be nice to have, but we don't actually have. Which circles back to my original point about having at least some kind of oversight.

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sort your own house out first....

Spreadie wrote:
Yes, we must spare them a few blushes and those awkward uncomfortable moments where they are made to feel accountable. :evil:
We should be making them more accountable to the UK electorate not the EU parliament.[/quote]
I agree, but it's something that would be nice to have, but we don't actually have. Which circles back to my original point about having at least some kind of oversight.[/quote]
If you agree to the EU having oversight, the next step is them having the power to over rule and enforce and if they have that power. We might as well disband parliament and hand over all power to them.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sort your own house out first....

Spreadie wrote:
I'm no Euro fan, but is this kind of oversight really a bad thing? Shouldn't we have some kind of stricture on their increasingly cock-sure approach to deficit reduction?
Quote:
Bill Cash, the chairman of the House of Commons scrutiny committee, warned that MPs would insist that British ministers were only answerable to them and the public.

Yeah, they're answerable to the public once in every five years. After which, they swan about doing whatever the f**k they like.
Quote:
"It would be humiliating and degrading for any British Treasury ministers to be exposed to this demand."

Yes, we must spare them a few blushes and those awkward uncomfortable moments where they are made to feel accountable. :evil:

Why should they be exempt from oversight? If our banks collpase it will impact on their economies so oversight is essential. The issue for me is that if the central policy is wrong then everyone is going to suffer the same problem. We have all seen the impact of austerity on Ireland yet we are determined to follow the same path. Great for people wanting to get on the housing ladder as prices collapse. Though it would have been useful to stop some of the excesses from the banks before the crash. If a nation is too arrogant to accept that it is doing some things wrong then it has to suffer the consequences.

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