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cloaked_wolf
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clicky |  |  |  | Quote: NHS among developed world's most efficient health systems, says study Report in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine finds health service second only to Ireland for cost-effectiveness Randeep Ramesh, social affairs editor guardian.co.uk, Sunday 7 August 2011 17.14 BST
The NHS is one of the most cost-effective health systems in the developed world, according to a study (pdf) published in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine.
The "surprising" findings show the NHS saving more lives for each pound spent as a proportion of national wealth than any other country apart from Ireland over 25 years. Among the 17 countries considered, the United States healthcare system was among the least efficient and effective.
Researchers said that this contradicted assertions by the health secretary, Andrew Lansley, that the NHS needed competition and choice to become more efficient.
"The government proposals to change the NHS are largely based on the idea that the NHS is less efficient and effective than other countries, especially the US," said Professor Colin Pritchard, of Bournemouth University, who analysed a quarter of a century's data from 1980.
"The results question why we need a big set of health reform proposals ... The system works well. Look at the US and you can see where choice and competition gets you. Pretty dismal results."
The study will be a blow for Lansley, who argues that patients should choose between competing hospital services and GPs.
Pritchard's last academic paper, which argued that surgeons were being distracted from frontline work by "unfunded" targets in the NHS, was used by Lansley to justify government reforms.
Using the latest data from the World Health Organisation, the paper shows that although Labour's tax-and-spend strategy for the NHS saw health spending rise to a record 9.3% of GDP, this was less than Germany with 10.7% or the US with 15%.
Not only was the UK cheaper, says the paper, it saved more lives. The NHS reduced the number of adult deaths a million of the population by 3,951 a year – far better than the nearest comparable European countries. France managed 2,779 lives a year and Germany 2,395.
This means, the paper says, that dramatic NHS improvements have led to a situation where that there are now 162,000 fewer deaths every year compared with 1980.
The paper says the US suffers from a "relatively huge bureaucratic burden needed to monitor the costs, behaviour and risks of customers, as well as the immense legal costs required to control payment".
Looking at elderly patients, the difference was even more stark with the best performers – Ireland, the UK and New Zealand – having health systems that were three times more effective and efficient than the worst – Switzerland, Portugal and the US.
Pritchard said that only Ireland's position today would be significantly different – because its economy has shrunk. "I think Ireland would have slipped back today."
The paper also takes Lansley to task over his claims that "if UK cancer survival rates were at the European average, we know we would save 5,000 extra lives a year."
It says: "In terms of actual cancer mortality rates, rather than the more ambiguous 'survival' rates, the UK had better results ... which appears to be linked to major additional funds going to cancer care."
Pritchard points out that even Adam Smith, the Scottish economist and father of market-based ideology, thought the state was "probably better" at health and education.
"It's naive to think that Lansley does not want more privatised health service. But there's no evidence why it be better. There's a lot to suggest it would be worse."
A Department of Health spokesman said that the paper was "mistaken to think that competition is an end in itself, or will necessarily increase the independent sector's role in the NHS".
He added: "Under our modernisation plans we are improving choice for patients to drive up the quality of care and improve patient experience ... We are investing an extra £12.5bn in the NHS to improve the quality of services and safeguard the NHS for future generations."
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Which is what almost all doctors already know. Pity no-one listens to us and the BMA is a waste of space.
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adidan
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We also spend a modest proportion of our GDP on our Health Service and it's damned good value.
The US spend more of their GDP on healthcare but most of it currently goes to the Insurance companies.
Keep competition out of it, it's a service we pay for, we require the same service across the board. I don't want to have to pick my hospital or GP on a 'comparethemarket' website when I've severed a limb.
Lansley is an ass. More privatisation does not save money, it increases costs and decreases the service (if you take the US as a working example). All it does is make private firms lots of money.
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:53 pm |
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The coalitions plans for the NHS are purely ideological. Maybe they own shares in the private health providers or have political contributions from them, and are required to screw up the system for the rest of us. While I will accept that there are small things that could be done better the plans of the coalition will not improve the service overall.
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:03 pm |
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rustybucket
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Although I agree with the premise of the article...
... the RSM isn't without ideological bias either.
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:14 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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I expect to see politicians infer more than their data implies to promote a political vision, but I really hate to see scientist getting on that bandwagon, it debases the profession and makes them look like morons.
If we spend less money per head than the other countries in the survey, and achieve greater life savings per pound spent, that doesn't prove that the NHS is more efficient. It could just as well show that other countries are spending more cash on stuff other than saving lives. This study's crass looking methodology could even be obscuring massive inefficiency; if the number of lives saved in Germany is roughly equivalent to the NHS, and they spend an extra 1% of GDP, they might be spending 2% of GDP on something the NHS doesn't do like care for the elderly.
It is also absurd to look at the example of America and say that this shows that competition gets you pretty dismal results. Any idiot can tell you that it only shows that competition doesn't guarantee good results. Nobody has any plan to tear down the NHS and replace it with a fiasco like they have in America, so why is this statistical outlier being used as an example? The private sector hospitals that the NHS needs to be either copying or importing are not in America, they are in India.
Perhaps the problem here is that the story has been written up by a social affairs editor. I imagine a health care or science editor would have insisted on a little more rigour.
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:59 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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^^^ I agree - the comparison is always with America, as though other health systems don't exist. You need to look at where that money is being spent. Saving lives isa moot point if all that happens is that you have a poor quality of life.
I will try and read the paper and stick my critical appraisal hat on at some point this week.
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:57 pm |
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It's not easy to do a cost-benefit analysis on the value of life.
I personally hold the "free at the point of delivery" model of the NHS as absolutely sacrosanct.
Do I believe the NHS is efficiently run? Do I 'eck as like.
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Amnesia10
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I do think that allowing private sector companies to come and cherry pick the services that are most profitable will completely destroy the effectiveness of the NHS as a whole. Without many routine procedures the cost of A&E will rise steeply, and will force them to be closed.
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:49 am |
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ShockWaffle
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That sounds a bit silly imo. If the private sector can take over a big pile of boring simple work and provide a more efficient process, and make a profit margin, and bring costs down, without having to fiddle the numbers to make the NHS look more expensive than it is, and without putting lives at risk, then it should be done.
If they can't honestly meet every one of those requirements, then there is no need for them. Everything else is partisan [LIFTED]. I'm bored of reading that it must be wrong because it is all part of a tory plot to [LIFTED] the universe in the arse. And I'm getting fed up of reading that it must be right because the private sector is always more efficient than the public.
There shouldn't be a misleading pile of lies in place of reasoned argument about this subject... it's important enough that we should know the facts. There must be some sensible and honest people somewhere that can be relied on to work it out based on factual evidence, why can't we find these people and ask them? Why do so few people even want to? Am I the only person left who wants to see proper truthful evidence before making his mind up?
The size and distribution of A&E units should not be decided by politicians or accountants, there are rules about how far away you can be from an A&E already, so there's a limit to how many can be shut, which is decided by how fast an ambulance can get you to a life saving operating theatre. And there are good medical reasons why a lot of smaller A&Es should be shut down.
Many of the problems the NHS has seem to stem from political interference, with the local MP always demanding that their hospital should maintain services that it is not best suited for.
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jonbwfc
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To paraphrase an old IT saying 'You can have it better, you can have it quicker, you can have it cheaper. Pick any two from three.' Jon
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:04 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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To cut down on ambulance response times, quite often a "first responder" is sent out. This means they can meet the targets.
The perceived problem of allowing part-privitisation is that the NHS is lumbered with the inefficient bits after the private companies have had their bite of the cherry. Which means it'd drop down in efficiency ratings. Then there are concerns over the cost and who pays who what.
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adidan
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They can help with that by removing frakkin speed bumps. I remember reading one article in some paramedic magazine years ago (no idea how I ended up reading it) reportedly arguing that they caused more deaths and injury than they save because they slow down emergency vehicles and cause delicate patients to get bashed about in the back.
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:35 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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That might hold true for other part privatised public services like the Post Office (good bits sold to TNT, crap bits to be left to slowly wither), but I don't see how it can happen to the NHS. People place a certain level of importance in small things like their children not dying that a daily postcard delivery service can't match. This cross-subsidy argument is a canard designed to play the hidden inflated costs game in reverse. If there are activities which can be done better by private providers, then that saves money that can be reinvested into the other bits. It never makes economic sense to squander resources.
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:43 pm |
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adidan
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That's working on the assumption that the private sector actually saves money while providing the same/better service. It certainly hasn't worked with the care homes.
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:45 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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But there are excellent private hospitals in India, why? Because they had a need to do this sort of thing on a budget and they came up with a solution. If one country with rampant bureaucratic gridlock can come up with this solution, why can't another?
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