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Author:  paulzolo [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  London rioters resent image of hooded teen thug
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Residents of a London housing estate laughed at a televised plea by police for parents to call their children and help rein in the youths who looted and burnt swathes of the city.

Not only were some of the parents at the riots themselves, but many of those taking part were not the hooded, teenage delinquents on which many have pinned the blame for the worst street riots Britain has seen for decades.


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/08/1 ... 2520110810
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:23 pm ]
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Other young men were sitting with him, on a wall outside the drab flats typical of the subsidised housing that is home to many of Britain's poor.

It is hardly subsidised. The councils ended that years ago. They simply put in only what they get in rents. Which explains the sorry state of many estates.
Author:  adidan [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:03 am ]
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It did strike me: on one side the hooded and face covered with a scarf rioter, on the other side helmet clad and face covered with a balaclava Police officer.

Just an observation.
Author:  PaulKey [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:12 am ]
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adidan wrote:
It did strike me: on one side the hooded and face covered with a scarf rioter, on the other side helmet clad and face covered with a balaclava Police officer.

Just an observation.


And which group was it committing arson, burglary and looting ?

Just another observation.
Author:  Zippy [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:39 pm ]
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adidan wrote:
It did strike me: on one side the hooded and face covered with a scarf rioter, on the other side helmet clad and face covered with a balaclava Police officer.


The majority of the Police I saw weren't wearing balaclava, only riot helmets with face shields. Mostly I suspect that's because a helmet will protect their skulls from the bricks and poles being hurled at them by the rioters while in the course of doing their duty to protect the public majority from the lawless few. The rioters weren't at much risk from having large and heavy objects chucked at their heads by the Police, which is where the difference lies IMO.

The rioters faces were covered because they knew what they were doing was wrong and they wanted to hide from the possibility of being identified and punished. Not so in the case of the Police I think!
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:52 pm ]
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Zippy wrote:
The rioters faces were covered because they knew what they were doing was wrong and they wanted to hide from the possibility of being identified and punished. Not so in the case of the Police I think!

Well that does not explain why the police hide their faces during crowd control?
Author:  jonbwfc [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:12 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Zippy wrote:
The rioters faces were covered because they knew what they were doing was wrong and they wanted to hide from the possibility of being identified and punished. Not so in the case of the Police I think!

Well that does not explain why the police hide their faces during crowd control?

I've never seen a policeman wearing just a balaclava. The only time I've seen a policeman's face hidden is when it's been inside protective clothing of some sort. That includes riot gear, which is designed to protect from being hit by a petrol bomb, at least for long enough for someone else to put the fire out. I doubt anyone would thank you for protective clothing that still allowed your face to be burned. You simply can't compare the two. There were issues at the G-20 protests with a few policeman deliberately not wearing their ID numbers (which they are required to in some form or other) but I've never heard of a policeman in public deliberately trying to conceal their identity other than that.

Jon
Author:  adidan [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:30 pm ]
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Twas just an observation.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:54 pm ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Well that does not explain why the police hide their faces during crowd control?

I've never seen a policeman wearing just a balaclava. The only time I've seen a policeman's face hidden is when it's been inside protective clothing of some sort. That includes riot gear, which is designed to protect from being hit by a petrol bomb, at least for long enough for someone else to put the fire out. I doubt anyone would thank you for protective clothing that still allowed your face to be burned. You simply can't compare the two. There were issues at the G-20 protests with a few policeman deliberately not wearing their ID numbers (which they are required to in some form or other) but I've never heard of a policeman in public deliberately trying to conceal their identity other than that.

Jon

Well behind a full face mask why do they need a balaclava. It is not as if they are pit crew dealing with refuelling at speed. As for any officer deliberately hiding their identity they need to be sacked for such actions. Zero tolerance cuts both ways.
Author:  PaulKey [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:27 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Well that does not explain why the police hide their faces during crowd control?

I've never seen a policeman wearing just a balaclava. The only time I've seen a policeman's face hidden is when it's been inside protective clothing of some sort. That includes riot gear, which is designed to protect from being hit by a petrol bomb, at least for long enough for someone else to put the fire out. I doubt anyone would thank you for protective clothing that still allowed your face to be burned. You simply can't compare the two. There were issues at the G-20 protests with a few policeman deliberately not wearing their ID numbers (which they are required to in some form or other) but I've never heard of a policeman in public deliberately trying to conceal their identity other than that.

Jon

Well behind a full face mask why do they need a balaclava. It is not as if they are pit crew dealing with refuelling at speed. As for any officer deliberately hiding their identity they need to be sacked for such actions. Zero tolerance cuts both ways.


Perhaps they are fireproof balaclava's to protect from thrown petrol bombs ?

I guess they might offer similar protection to pit crews... though of course, pit crews wouldn't be subjected to rocks or other missiles being thrown at them.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:47 pm ]
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PaulKey wrote:
Perhaps they are fireproof balaclava's to protect from thrown petrol bombs ?

I guess they might offer similar protection to pit crews... though of course, pit crews wouldn't be subjected to rocks or other missiles being thrown at them.

Yes but full face masks would protect a lot better than a balaclava. I can understand then carrying them as a precaution, to be used if petrol bombs were used. Though have the police actually come under fire from Molotov cocktails during a raid which is when I have seen the police wearing them on TV? People do not use petrol bombs to keep the police out. :lol:
Author:  PaulKey [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:01 pm ]
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I saw tv footage of police facing crowds and coming under fire. I can't say I saw petrol bombs being thrown but I did see fireworks being launched almost horizontically at them. I don't think I'd like either.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:07 pm ]
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I agree, though the masks that they have would protect the faces. The police could charge those using fireworks as weapons with serious offences. No need for new laws and powers.
Author:  Fogmeister [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:18 pm ]
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I'm sorry but when did anyone give a sh!t about what the rioters think?

I really couldn't give a toss if it was a d!ckhead in a hoody or a d!ckhead in a suit. They're all still d!ckheads ruining lives and robbing shops.


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=53.851201,-1.530896
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:31 pm ]
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Fogmeister wrote:
I'm sorry but when did anyone give a sh!t about what the rioters think?

I really couldn't give a toss if it was a d!ckhead in a hoody or a d!ckhead in a suit. They're all still d!ckheads ruining lives and robbing shops.


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=53.851201,-1.530896

I agree. Though I am thinking of more general occasions such as a protest.
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