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Author: | Spreadie [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Roadwork charge for digging up roads proposed |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14610580 The Highways Agency already favour out of hours for major roadworks/resurfacing, where the extra costs can be offset against the cost of disruption. It works due to economies of scale. Forcing utilities contractors and the like to work outside of regular business hours will cost us MORE money. They do, manhole replacements, pot-holes, pipework replacement and leak fixes. All of which require very small amounts of materials from their suppliers; who have hefty surcharges for out-of-hours opening and supply. Add that to additional costs for the contractors, in wages/unsociable hours payments. It doesn't stack up. |
Author: | rustybucket [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Roadwork charge for digging up roads proposed |
It's a bit dumb to be blunt. Far better, IMO, would be to have the county council dig up and fill in the road and charge the utility for the privilege. That way, the whole hole can be supervised by the local Clerk of Works. Only government employees and contractors should ever be allowed to dig up the roads. |
Author: | hifidelity2 [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Roadwork charge for digging up roads proposed |
I think you might be missing the point. At the moment a company gets permission to dig up the road. While they do estimate how long it will take there is almost no comeabck if they exceed that time so if they get another job they can leave the 1st one unfinished for weeks or months With road "rental" it would be in their interest to complete the job asap - so reducing the amount of disruption to motorists |
Author: | HeatherKay [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Roadwork charge for digging up roads proposed |
Never mind motorists! As a recently reborn cyclist, I'd just be happy for the road to be reinstated as fairly level and smooth! ![]() |
Author: | Spreadie [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:28 am ] | |||||||||
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Lane rental has been inplace on major roads contracts for years; with hefty penalties for over-running the handover deadline - £50K per day or more in some cases. It works well, when you're resurfacing lane 1 on the M6, with no street furniture in the way to foul things up. I have no issues with the lane rental system - it's the idea that they would be forced into working out-of-hours that scares me. Pay out to do the work during business hours, or work nights and bill the Local Authority more for the privilege. Councils will have to step sharp to re-negotiate every contract with the utilities companies; and they will have to do the same with their contractors, or Joe Public gets reamed again. |
Author: | Linux_User [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Roadwork charge for digging up roads proposed |
All companies who need to dig up roads should have to apply to the local authority for permission. That way the council can ensure any works that need to be carried out in an area are scheduled for a similar time so that the road only need be dug up once, rather than have disruption for many weeks by many different companies. Companies should also be forced to do a better job of closing the road so that pot holes etc are less likely to develop, or have the council do it and have them invoice the company. |
Author: | hifidelity2 [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:41 pm ] | |||||||||
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I guess then it comes down to which is the lesser of two evils The work being done at night (Say) when there is little traffic so keeping the roads flowing at rush hours (but costing more) or Work done during the day esp at rush hour, so causing delays but being slightly cheaper |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:54 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Though if they do the work during the day the real costs are imposed on the drivers in lost time and extra petrol used waiting to get through the congestion. |
Author: | adidan [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Roadwork charge for digging up roads proposed |
If they could just organise things so that when a hole is dug all of the companies wishing to lay cables actually laid them at the same frakin time. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:15 am ] | |||||||||
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I had the idea some years ago of a large tube placed underground which would be accessed by manhole covers so that you only needed to access a manhole and then you could simply send a man or two to walk through it dragging what ever cable they needed. It would mean no more road works as you could always access via a manhole. It would be expensive initially but since every company would effectively be able to use the system then they could have much lower installation costs and much easier maintenance if required. Also you only needing to get access to a manhole it would substantially reduce the congestion if work was needed. |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Roadwork charge for digging up roads proposed |
believe it or not the defunct GLC with red ken as leader made all utilities pay for road repairs if they dug the roads up the utilities soon got together so all repairs were done at the same time thus reducing costs sadly the tories (who like cost cutting) abolished the GLC and left it to the free market, ho hum ... |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:00 pm ] | |||||||||
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Yet another failed Tory policy. ![]() |
Author: | bobbdobbs [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:44 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Good job all those Labour policies (1997-2010) have led us to a land of opportunity and social justice for all....oh wait.. ![]() A summary of Kens time as London's mayor
A resounding success.. trebles all round!!!! |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:29 pm ] | |||||||||
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Yes but they were following conservative Neoliberal policies and they were crap as well. I want both parties to move back to the centre not leaving the Liberals as the only left leaning party, by virtue of both Labour and Conservatives moving to the right significantly. The fact that the Tories are so far to the right now make them a wasted vote as far as I am concerned. They want powers to clamp down on freedoms should there be a need. Even Syria spokeswoman said that what they were doing was similar to what the Tories plan. |
Author: | bobbdobbs [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:41 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Any encroachment on our freedoms (as we have them) should not be done without thorough discussion and calm reflection and not as a knee jerk reaction. |
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